cant really explain it but these are going down like the phototron plants did. I popped 4 more and im gonna put them in next to these(in bigger pots) to see what happens. either my water is absolutely toxic,hard to believe since they germ in it pretty nicely, or there is just some kind of bad juju goin on. only thing i can figure is some kind ph thing is happening but i have been making sure to keep it adjusted also dont get why i am having to chase it so much never had these kinds of problems before ever.