and if you go by their terms...then george w. bush is the most liberal president the country has ever seen. he has done everything clinton did, but given it more funding. he's grown the size of government and we have budgets that are $1 trillion more than clinton's last year in office. there is nothing conservative about him.

unless you count the carrots they dangle in front of us that don't matter...gay marriage, etc...all that stuff that doesn't really matter. besides, the real question should be...why is government getting involved in marriage anyway...i guess that makes me a liberal for thinking government is doing something it shouldn't be?

seems to a pattern of that happening.


i'd add Rome to your list too, marlboro man. we're basically Rome with technology now, as far as dismantling republics and building empires is concerned. life is good in the belly of the best.