hey loc nar thanks for the reply mister as it can hard to get a responce as most people just like to view someones comments without actually answering the question and what you have wrote makes perfect sence as ive been scratching my head for a while now and funny enough i said to myself today i wonder if ph up from a bottle would help in any way as ive never used ph up before as the guy in the grow shop said you dont need it as un PHed water from the tap works just fine but as you said its very temparary compared to ph up which you said will help stablize it so once again thank you for your time sir and il go get myself some bottled ph up!!!!