The resurection is the key!

[Daisy420]

so I'm a ' christian o phobe ' just coz i don't want YOUR belifes shoved down my neck....... hmmmm , sort it out mate and get off high horse. its just annoying.

[maryjanemama]

I think that some people confuse religion and spirituality. Sitting in a cathedral, looking at the huge stained glass...I never felt filled with love and enlightenment. I felt terrified! But then there are other times, mostly when smoking a joint and I look out over the hay fields and see horses and blue skies and nothing but hills and nature's beauty.... That's when I feel my spirit lifted and a sense of well being.

The idea of a "savior"? We can only save ourselves from ourselves. I also never understood what exactly I needed to be saved from, either. "Original sin", can someone explain that one? Am I being punished for being born?

[psychocat]

The idea of a "savior"? We can only save ourselves from ourselves. I also never understood what exactly I needed to be saved from, either. "Original sin", can someone explain that one? Am I being punished for being born?

Original sin -The consumption of forbidden fruit in the garden of eden.
Temptation brought about by eves seduction of adam to disobey gods rule.
The sins of the father shall be visited upon the sons.
See I know what I'm talking about Razer.
Hope this helps Maryj.

It's the same as me kicking in your teeth for something your granny did,and that's supposed to be fair??
Don't think so.

[budda]

[/QUOTE]"Keep your hate comments to yourself." Razer

Why?? If someone wants to give you a hate comment then its their right to do that brother!

[Razer]

Psychocat, an effective use of the english language to express your thoughts more succinctly is hardly arrogance. Your continued personal attacks only bare out my earlier comments. Try discussing the issue instead of resorting to personal attack after attack. It's boring! Drone, drone, drone!!! So, you don't like me huh? Ouch!

Concerning the doctrine of Original Sin, I would agree with you that it is about the fruit incident in the garden. However, Scripture does not say you are guilty because adam sinned, but rather because people sin personally against their Creator. It is the sin nature passed from one generation to the next and the death that results from it.
"Therefore, just as through one man sin entered into the world, and death through sin, and so death spread to all men, because all sinned--" NASB Rom 5:12
"For as through the one man's disobedience the many were made sinners, even so through the obedience of the One the many will be made righteous." NASB Rom 5:19

So, your beef is not with me but with Scripture. Also, I made no claim to be more intelligent, but I would not hesitate to say that my posts as relates to the personal attack type posts are hands down more itellectualy based.

Not that it does any good to explain to you, but the point I made on bringing preconceived conclusions is that if you exclude one of the possibilities out of hand then you can't rely on the conclusion since it is not knowledge but prejudice, exposed!

About being a Christian-a-phobe, that is a generalisation about people (definitely like you) who lash out at those expressing faith in the God of the Bible. You don't have to believe. I certainly didn't ask you to.

And, that brings up your other cronies, like Daisy420, can you take a deep breath and explain what you mean, what am I shoving down your throat. Others can post all they want that I am wrong, but I express my opinion and I am "shoving it down your throat." If the pot doesn't help you Daisy, then try valium. You're a little high strung, don't you think?

maryjanemama, although I am liking you better lately, I am puzzled by your response as well. Who mentioned anything about a church or stained windows. My belief is not dependent on the Pope, any prophet, or experience, but rather grounded in God's Word. If you are curious about what I believe on a topic, just ask and I will be glad to discuss it with you.

The thing that I can not tolerate, is to let all the bogus assertions go without challenge.

[Razer]

Budda,

oh nothing

[maryjanemama]

Razer, I said something about the stained glass windows, because when I was little they seemed enormous and I was scared. I was trying to convey how I felt during mass. Are you saying that you don't worship a single sect? Like you don't classify yourself as a Catholic, Lutheran, but as a Christian...right? I'm just trying to understand, that's all.

Religion is probably one of the things that I've been most confused about my entire life. When I try to express how I feel about it, alot of times I am talking about when I was a CHILD. As an adult, it just continues to baffle me and I have lots of questions. I still have no idea what original sin is, even though I've gotten 2 explanations. Please explain further if you have time.

[Razer]

It seemed that you were making the point that "real" spirituality is not found in a church. I agree that being in church buildings doesn't bring you closer to God. But, being part of a Bible believing fellowship hardly makes you less likely to know Him.

PS I wrote you a note in community

[joker121]

I don't think I've ever met a christain that enjoys smoking the ganja. Bt then again, I don't know if online mettings qualify. Does your church group know about your herbal indulgences? What do they/ would they think?
Do you as a pot smoking christain support gays?

[psychocat]

Wind and piss is what we would call this where I come from.
I will once again say that it is YOU who has preconcieved opinions and not myself,I don't really care whether you are catholic,muslim or atheist,the point was that you believe yourself to have a superior knowledge whithout even knowing to what extent I have researched the subject I'm commenting on.
As for ORIGINAL sin it's like saying that the apple tree(adam+eve) is tainted and therefore all fruit from that tree(the human race) will also be tainted.
THE ORIGINAL SIN WAS PERPETRATED BY ADAM AND EVE,I thought you said you researched your info.
I don't have "a beef " with you or religion I just think you're both full of shit.
It's my opinion and I will excercise my GOD given right to express it. lol