Did I pass?

[poolboyjim]

Here goes, I'm 28 yoa, 5'6", 145 lbs. I smoked for about 2 months, quit for 16 days, ran, drank tons of water, and ate mostly veggies. I took 3 hits 7 days ago. Since then I have drank lots and lots of water, took the Puriclean Instant detox (53 hours before test). The day of the test, I took about 8-10 niacin and drank 3 gal of water. 2 hours before the test I drank a gal of water and took about 5-6 multivitamins. I passed 4 at home tests with very, very faint lines. I went to the lab around 9:30 PM to take the test, the test cost me $32, so I don't think it's expensive enough to be one of those industrial strength tests, I'm just taking it for school, so what do you think. I talked to the guy who runs the head shop where I got the tests, he says I should pass, as well as 4 other friends and Walgreens all saying I passed.

poolboyjim Reviewed by poolboyjim on 10-25-2012. Did I pass? Here goes, I'm 28 yoa, 5'6", 145 lbs. I smoked for about 2 months, quit for 16 days, ran, drank tons of water, and ate mostly veggies. I took 3 hits 7 days ago. Since then I have drank lots and lots of water, took the Puriclean Instant detox (53 hours before test). The day of the test, I took about 8-10 niacin and drank 3 gal of water. 2 hours before the test I drank a gal of water and took about 5-6 multivitamins. I passed 4 at home tests with very, very faint lines. I went to the lab Rating: 5

[Burnt Toast]

The day of the test, I took about 8-10 niacin and drank 3 gal of water. 2 hours before the test I drank a gal of water and took about 5-6 multivitamins.

With a total of 4 gallons of water consumed on the day of the test, dont be too surprised if the lab deems the sample "diluted" due to diminished S/G and creatinine levels.

the test cost me $32, so I don't think it's expensive enough to be one of those industrial strength tests, I'm just taking it for school,

If this test is for school, why do you have to pay for the U/A instead of the school paying for it?

[poolboyjim]

would it be too diluted even with all the vitamins and the yellow color

[Burnt Toast]

would it be too diluted even with all the vitamins and the yellow color

Sure it would. Samples with a nice yellow color can still register unsatisfactory S/G and creatinine levels.

[poolboyjim]

My girlfriend and 2 other friends I know for a fact smoked a day or 2 before and did the niacin thing and 1 of those was for a job. The detox stuff was recommended to me from a guy who passed one just a couple weeks ago after one well of not smoking and there's tons of creatine in it. Still nervous though.

[Burnt Toast]

My girlfriend and 2 other friends I know for a fact smoked a day or 2 before and did the niacin thing and 1 of those was for a job. The detox stuff was recommended to me from a guy who passed one just a couple weeks ago after one well of not smoking and there's tons of creatine in it. Still nervous though.

Niacin is an old myth that has its origins from a very unscientific "study" conducted by L. Ron Hubbard and the Scientology Movement more than four decades ago. Hubbards so-called "study" however, was centered around a certain (off-topic) hallucinogenic drug. He claimed that ingesting niacin and sitting in a sauna would, over time, eliminate the "residues" of the drug and prevent "flashbacks". There is not a shred of scientific evidence to support Hubs ludicrous claim.
Hub was a crackpot ex-science fiction writer who had no medical training whatsoever, charges $25,000 to join his sect, advocates total silence during childbirth, and claimed (along with his chief minions Tom Cruise and Brooke Shields) that niacin can cure anything from post-partum depression, to toxic-shock syndrome. Therefore, anything that comes out of Hubs mouth should be taken with a box of salt.

And if that wasnt enough, somewhere down the line some "brilliant" pothead, obviously acting under a garbled understanding, took Hubs claim and thought "hey man, if this niacin thing can get rid of the residues of this (off-topic) drug, then it must get rid of THC residues" ... What Mr. "Brilliant" Pothead and Hub never realized, is that drug tests look for drug metabolites - not residues.

The myth had been born.

And a myth that still persists today because there are many people that claim to have taken niacin before taking a drug test and passed. The niacin was wrongly credited for their passing when the real hero was the copius amounts of water that theyve consumed with the niacin, which effectively diluted their THCA concentration in their bladder to where their urine sample registered below the cutoff thresholds of the drug screen. These people wouldve passed anyway, just on the water-loading alone and without the niacin to go with it.

With all that being stated, niacin does nothing to help pass a U/A.


All detox products "work" via the principle of dilution. That means they "work" because of the water that youre required by the instructions to drink with them. Like the niacin myth stated above, the water consumption dilutes the THCA concentration that is present in the bladder. Those detox products do nothing to rid the body of THC, as the sales pitches would like the consumer to believe. You can spend an obscene amount of money on a magic "detox" elixir, and accomplish nothing different than what can be accomplished using just vitamin B2 and water.
Sure many of those products boast about containing creatine. What those products dont tell you (perhaps in an effort to avoid "blowing a sale") is that it takes 2-3 days for the body to metabolize creatine into creatinine (the end waste product that is found in urine and tested for at the labs). Therefore, the creatine ingredient will do you no good at all when the "detox" product is consumed on the day of the U/A (in which the instructions require the consumer to do so). Any creatine-loading must be done at least 3 days before the scheduled U/A.

In summary, "detox" products are a big scam to capitalize on the so-called "war on drugs" by preying upon the uninformed and credulous, and taking their hard-earned cash. Cannabis users are victimized enough by the so-called "war on drugs" without these vulturing scam artists swooping down into the mix. :wtf:

There is no product that can permanently rid the body of THC. The only proven way to rid the body of THC is time and fat-burning exercise.

To sum it all up, I, for one, would rather place credence on proven information based upon empirical scientific evidence, intstead of second or third-party anecdotes; and/or some nutcracker magic from more than four decades ago. Drug testing is an issue that is to be taken seriously. Thats because there are careers, families, and freedoms that are hinging on the outcome of a drug test.

[Burnt Toast]

And to add to the above post, drinking water is only helpful on the day of the U/A. Drinking a bunch of water days or weeks before a U/A is of no help. It must be understood that THC is not water-soluble, unlike other types of drugs. Therefore you cannot rid the body of THC by drinking copius amounts of water. Does not work that way (more on that in a moment).

THC is fat-soluble. THC is stored in the fat cells and remain there until the fat cells are burned for energy. When fat cells burn, the THC is metabolized into THCA and is released back into the bloodstream. From there, the kidneys filter the THCA from the bloodstream and is deposited into the bladder for the eventual exit (this is the main reason why THC carries a longer detection period than other types of drugs). The rate in which the THCA is filtered from the bloodstream by the kidneys is unaffected by copius water consumption.

As already stated, drinking water is only helpful on the day of the U/A. Thats because the water consumption serves to dilute the THCA concentration that is present in the bladder. It is not ridding the bladder of THCA, but rather it "thins out" the THCA concentration present. Its like adding paint-thinner to paint - the paint is not eliminated, instead its concentration is reduced. The idea is to drink enough water to dilute the THCA concentration to where the urine sample registers below the cutoff thresholds of the drug screen. This dilution phenomena, however, is only temporary - once the fluids ingested had all been urinated out, the bladder is replenished with fresh THCA-laden urine and thus, the donor would resume testing positive for THC.

[Burnt Toast]

Niacin is an old myth that has its origins from a very unscientific "study" conducted by L. Ron Hubbard and the Scientology Movement more than four decades ago. Hubbards so-called "study" however, was centered around a certain (off-topic) hallucinogenic drug. He claimed that ingesting niacin and sitting in a sauna would, over time, eliminate the "residues" of the drug and prevent "flashbacks". There is not a shred of scientific evidence to support Hubs ludicrous claim.
Hub was a crackpot ex-science fiction writer who had no medical training whatsoever, charges $25,000 to join his sect, advocates total silence during childbirth, and claimed (along with his chief minions Tom Cruise and Brooke Shields) that niacin can cure anything from post-partum depression, to toxic-shock syndrome. Therefore, anything that comes out of Hubs mouth should be taken with a box of salt.

And if that wasnt enough, somewhere down the line some "brilliant" pothead, obviously acting under a garbled understanding, took Hubs claim and thought "hey man, if this niacin thing can get rid of the residues of this (off-topic) drug, then it must get rid of THC residues" ... What Mr. "Brilliant" Pothead and Hub never realized, is that drug tests look for drug metabolites - not residues.

The myth had been born.

And a myth that still persists today because there are many people that claim to have taken niacin before taking a drug test and passed. The niacin was wrongly credited for their passing when the real hero was the copius amounts of water that theyve consumed with the niacin, which effectively diluted their THCA concentration in their bladder to where their urine sample registered below the cutoff thresholds of the drug screen. These people wouldve passed anyway, just on the water-loading alone and without the niacin to go with it.

With all that being stated, niacin does nothing to help pass a U/A.

And besides, taking considerably more niacin than the 15 mg RDA can have some serious health consequences:

Misusing Vitamin To Foil Drug Test May Be Toxic; Plus, It Doesn't Work
and
Morons Overdose on Niacin While Trying to Beat a Drug Test | Wired Science | Wired.com

[bedrik]

With a total of 4 gallons of water consumed on the day of the test, dont be too surprised if the lab deems the sample "diluted" due to diminished S/G and creatinine levels.


If this test is for school, why do you have to pay for the U/A instead of the school paying for it?

These are good questions raised here.

[Haxie]

many times anymore, any red flags is as bad as a pos, they kick anything with any discrepancy anymore, IME, too diluted, etc.