Need feedback please. I'm new here!

[Burnt Toast]

I mean, the last test was a surprise, and the CPS worker herself took me into the courthouse bathroom where I was allowed to close the stall door but she stayed right outside.

What this a multi-stall bathroom?

Or...

Did you notice whether any (or all) water sources were secured (disabled in any way)?

[deandavidmartin]

Keep in mind that she would have to send in a vial of her urine sample for a GC/MS to be performed. A used THC test kit by itself wouldnt be of much use to the lab tech.

You're exactly right BT. Below is a picture of the specific at home drug test kit she'll need to buy. Should she fail the initial at home test, she'll be able to mail the urine specimen off to get the free quantitative GC/MS done (Follow the directions in the box exactly butt3rcup29). You can buy this at your local drug store in the pharmacy section for about $18. I highly recommend doing this step, as doing this will tell you exactly where you stand at the moment the urine specimen was taken.

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[butt3rcup29]

I'm pretty sure this restroom is set up for testing. It's not the public restroom. Went into a part of the courthouse that is not public-access, and the hallway goes into a room, and there's a sink and a door. Then you go through the door into another room, where there are two stalls and that's it. There wasn't a dying agent in the toilet, but she did put tape over the flusher. I don't know...it makes me nervous. My luck, if I go in there without preparing for substitution she won't watch, and if I cram a shampoo bottle up my hoo-hah she won't take her eyes off of me. When we were tested the last time it was very informal...my ex-husband's girlfriend and I were both taken back at the same time, both taken into the bathroom, and both handed a cup. We went into the stalls, did our thing, and handed her the cups one at a time, and she read them right there in front of us. Do you think I could get away with subbing?

[Burnt Toast]

I'm pretty sure this restroom is set up for testing. It's not the public restroom. The hallway goes into a room, and there's a sink and a door. Then you go through the door into another room, where there are two stalls. There wasn't a dying agent in the toilet, but she did put tape over the flusher.

Okay. What youve experienced was known as a monitored collection (as opposed to a directly observed collection) A monitored collection is utilized in two types of situations:

a) multi-stall situation - a monitor is assigned to prevent others from entering the restroom

b) Bathroom is such to where the sinks and toilet cannot be individually turned off (usually in ancient buildings to where the only shutoff is the water main outside, which turns off the entire building). A monitor is there to deter the donor from using the unsecured sinks and toilet to tamper a urine sample. The fact that the toilet bowl did not have any bluing agent was sufficient cause to assign a monitor to deter donors from scooping up the bowl water in an effort to tamper the urine sample.

In either case, the monitor is to remain outside of the stall (multi-stall), and is not there to directly watch the flow of urine exit your body and into the sample cup (thats the job of the observer in D/O situations).

However, if a monitor happens to suspect any tampering going on in the stall, the monitor can stop the collection and bring it to the attention of the collector, who would immediately order a D/O collection.

[butt3rcup29]

It is a pretty old building. I mean a reeeallly old building.

So given these circumstances, if I had a screw-off cap that didn't make noise and I put it inside to control temp, could I sub?

If I pass the home test three days before my real test, this is irrelevant anyway. It's just always good to have a plan B, and subbing sounds like a much better plan B than dilution, since there are so many things (creatinine, density, etc) that could go wrong.

[Burnt Toast]

So given these circumstances, if I had a screw-off cap that didn't make noise and I put it inside to control temp, could I sub?

Yep, as long as you dont make any noises that can tip off the monitor (not exactly an easy feat). Better brush up on your practice drills. :thumbsup:

[butt3rcup29]

Yeah, cause it's been a while. I subbed once, for pre-employment, and it worked out fine...but I spent the whole day before the test practicing and then I was beating down the door of the test center when they opened. OK, I can do this. Wow...you've really been helpful. You and the other poster both. I'd like to thank him for his pre-testing advice (maybe we should call at-home trial drug tests quizzes...haha) and I'll be sure to come back after the hearing and let you guys know how it went!

[Burnt Toast]

Wow...you've really been helpful. You and the other poster both. I'd like to thank him for his pre-testing advice (maybe we should call at-home trial drug tests quizzes...haha)

Thank you. Feel free to leave a positive rep and comment for "the other poster" (by clicking on the "sherriffs star" icon at the bottom left corner of his posts) :thumbsup:

[butt3rcup29]

I did. For both of you.

[Burnt Toast]

One more thing - a question that Ive overlooked:

I worry, though, that since I failed it, I will be watched during the next one. Any thoughts?

It is entirely possible that this can occur, so be prepared.

As an example, in employment DOT situations, if an employee's U/A has been confirmed THC-positive, DOT regulations mandate that the followup/return to duty test would be conducted under D/O after the employee had completed the SAP process as required by the Agency.