â??D-U-Highâ?? bill fails in Colorado state Senate

[Toastyroadie]

Good. I don't want people driving drunk or high. Having been the victim of a drunk driver (concussion, broken collar bone, separated shoulder, broken ribs), I have exactly zero tolerance for people who use drugs and drive. That includes MMJ patients who are high all the time and choose to drive. It's just as painful to get run over by someone on oxycontin as it is to get run over by someone on pot. Add per se (preferably zero tolerance) limits for all drugs that impair driving.

That's exactly the problem, they can not prove impairment from marijuana. You got any proof? So just 'cause you got hit by a druink driver you want to take it out on everyone even if they're not impaired? Interesting.

[HighPopalorum]

That's exactly the problem, they can not prove impairment from marijuana. You got any proof? So just 'cause you got hit by a druink driver you want to take it out on everyone even if they're not impaired? Interesting.

I don't want to take it out on everyone- just people who drink and use drugs and then get behind the wheel. Go to jail. Go directly to jail. The penalties cannot be high enough. People who drive under the influence are a menace. They should be shamed (my city prints their names in the paper), fined and jailed.

People who smoke so much they always test positive shouldn't drive. I'm one of them, and I don't.

[Toastyroadie]

I don't want to take it out on everyone- just people who drink and use drugs and then get behind the wheel. Go to jail. Go directly to jail. The penalties cannot be high enough. People who drive under the influence are a menace. They should be shamed (my city prints their names in the paper), fined and jailed.

People who smoke so much they always test positive shouldn't drive. I'm one of them, and I don't.

Lol, thanks for your opinion, but it doesn't count and I am so glad because you are obviously misinformed. Prove to me this impairment you speak of concerning cannabis, links please.

[senorx12562]

I don't want to take it out on everyone- just people who drink and use drugs and then get behind the wheel. Go to jail. Go directly to jail. The penalties cannot be high enough. People who drive under the influence are a menace. They should be shamed (my city prints their names in the paper), fined and jailed.

People who smoke so much they always test positive shouldn't drive. I'm one of them, and I don't.

Better that 100 innocent men go to jail than that one guilty man go free, right HighPop?

[HighPopalorum]

Better that 100 innocent men go to jail than that one guilty man go free, right HighPop?

Of course I don't share this view. The dispute is over who is innocent and who is guilty. You think (If I understand you correctly) people who use marijuana and drive are innocent. I think they're guilty. I view marijuana exactly as I do all other drugs, medicinal and recreational: part of responsible use means not getting behind the wheel. I have no moral or ethical problem with people who use drugs responsibly, but people who choose to drive high should be fined, jailed and lose their licenses. The only reservations I have about pot per se laws are science based (is 5ng an appropriate limit?) and regard civil liberties (detention for the purpose of doing a blood test is a non-starter for this libertarian.).

However, there's lots of room for compromise. Maybe a per se limit for younger drivers only would be a good idea. I'm more worried about people who are new to driving or new to smoking, because they lack the judgement that comes with driving experience and they may not understand how marijuana affects them.

Anecdotal high driving mishap: two days ago a friend of mine left his truck in neutral and went in to pay for gas with predictable results. After a "dude, where's my car?" moment, he found it totaled on the other side of a five-lane highway. He will not live this down, as far as I'm concerned, but at least he now agrees that driving high is probably not a good idea.

[senorx12562]

Forgive me, but when you say that " People who smoke so much they always test positive shouldn't drive," I take that to be a categorical statement, independent of whether these hypothetical people are actually impaired or not, i.e., guilty or innocent. In other words, if one chooses to treat themselves with a drug which is not amenable to scientific testing for impairment, one must give up one's ability to drive, whether impaired or not. I see. You are a real civil libertarian all right. A per se standard based on a blood concentration that presumes impairment of those who are not is another case where the government's cure is worse than the disease, notwithstanding your post that we should "add per se (preferably zero tolerance) limits for all drugs that impair driving." You always end up promoting tyranny in the guise of security.

[killerweed420]

I would have tested positive for the last 40 years.lol What about people on prescription drugs? They're far more dangerous on the road than cannabis patients. The effects of cannabis smoke wears off after a couple of hours. There's no legitimate reason why you can't drive. There's an interesting documentary called' Should I Smoke" where a journalist tried a scientific approach to the differences between drinking and driving and cannabis and driving. She wasn't much of a threat while high but she sure was on alcohol.lol

[HighPopalorum]

@senor

*shrug*

Maybe you're right. I'm only partly convinced drugged driving is a big enough problem to warrant a new law. I don't think drivers high on marijuana alone contribute all that much to Colorado's traffic injuries and fatalities. I'd be more enthusiastic about recommending per se limits if they applied to prescription drugs instead of pot and alcohol alone.

[Burnt Toast]

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Lets keep this discussion centered on cannabis DUI's only and keep all references to other types of drugs (including alcohol and perscription drugs) out of the forums. If this cannot be done from this point on, then this thread will be locked and warnings/infractions will be issued.

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[mustangwomyn]

That is similar to the News story I posted earlier this month, where they compared & tested various canabis users before & after using cannabis with a driving simulator to see how they drove & they tested their blood to see if they would have passed under the proposed 5 ng limit.

I would have tested positive for the last 40 years.lol What about people on prescription drugs? They're far more dangerous on the road than cannabis patients. The effects of cannabis smoke wears off after a couple of hours. There's no legitimate reason why you can't drive. There's an interesting documentary called' Should I Smoke" where a journalist tried a scientific approach to the differences between drinking and driving and cannabis and driving. She wasn't much of a threat while high but she sure was on alcohol.lol