Recent Pre-Employment Drug Test (Substitution w/ Synthetic)

[YouLiveAndLearn]

Being caught using synthetic urine has never once been shown to be anything other than user error and/or lack of QC and in many cases outright bullshit/lies by shills with agendas. I guess in light of that people can and should continue to use synthetic urine now and in the future as long as they perform QC and turn in a sample between 90-100 degrees.

My sample was 96 degrees when I handed it to the technician and was not expired. I followed the instructions provided on the bottle to the T as well.

I do not know for sure that I have failed with it yet, however, I just have a bad feeling that it was detected because I was supposed to have heard something Monday and the latest Tuesday. At least that is what the GM told me.

I don't have an agenda. I want this job EXTREMELY BADLY! I am probably overreacting and maybe I am fine but considering I haven't heard anything from the MRO, Employer, or anyone else it has me suspicious that I am screwed since I know now that the MRO has no obligation to call me with a negative test since it was a non-DOT test. By the same token, I doubt the employer has any obligation to call me outside of curtsy that I should try to look elsewhere.

But if you think that I am some person trying to bash synthetics that is plain wrong. I am calling the store tomorrow if I don't hear anything in the morning and I pray that I can come back here with good news to post another successful synthetic sub story.

[Burnt Toast]

I don't have an agenda.

But if you think that I am some person trying to bash synthetics that is plain wrong.

Web was just pointing out what has transpired in these forums in the past and in no way was accusatory towards you. So theres no need for you to take on a defensive posture.

Is there a way for me to figure out whether or not it was a DOT regulated test or not?

One way to tell is if there was a DOT Chain of Custody form.
Another way is a split-sample collection. Split-sample collections are mandatory on DOT specimen collections. The DOT regulations mandate that the sample is to be split in your view. More info can be found by doing an Advanced Search, using the terms split sample.

[YouLiveAndLearn]

Web was just pointing out what has transpired in these forums in the past and in no way was accusatory towards you. So theres no need for you to take on a defensive posture.

One way to tell is if there was a DOT Chain of Custody form.
Another way is a split-sample collection. Split-sample collections are mandatory on DOT specimen collections. The DOT regulations mandate that the sample is to be split in your view. More info can be found by doing an Advanced Search, using the terms split sample.

Well I was a bit confused by that when I went to the lab. On the form that Best Buy gave me it said that they would be performing a split sample test. However, while I was at the lab they did not do that. Also on the copy of the form they gave me it said "Was this a split sample test" and the only answer there was "No" not "Yes or No" and No was not circled. I was a bit confused by that to be honest.

Also, I had planned on calling today to inquire about my start date but I was running around all day and I figured I'd give it one more day. However, I couldn't stand waiting and broke down and called the store just recently at about 7:30pm my time. The GM I had spoken to had left for the day so the person I was speaking with said she would e-mail him with my name and have him call me. I simply said that I had been hired on Wednesday pending the tests and that I was wondering when my start date was and what documents I needed to bring in. I told her he could call me anytime after 9am. So I am hoping that I will hear back from him tomorrow morning. If I don't hear something by around 11am I am going to call the store back and I guess I will get my answer one way or another because I would think that they would at least have the drug test results.

I guess it could be possible that my background check is holding things up as I've heard those can take up to a week to process.

[YouLiveAndLearn]

I just got a call and I PASSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Score one for Ultra Pure synthetic urine!!!!!

For those curious about if this brand works it does!!!!!

Thank you all for the information!!!!!

[Burnt Toast]

Congrads to you on a successful sub and welcome to the Sub Club.

Best of luck with the new job. :smokin:

[webdox]

I just got a call and I PASSED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Score one for Ultra Pure synthetic urine!!!!!

For those curious about if this brand works it does!!!!!

Thank you all for the information!!!!!

WTG on your pass and for now knowing you for yourself not to buy into the FUD that Drug Test Dave over at MJ.com forums peddles. He sells only detox potions and is one of the worst offenders of misinformation and outright lies especially when it comes to synthetic.

[outlaw5022]

i need some help myself i have spent a week trying to research everything i can to decide my course of action i am6'3 265 lbs and a little overweight. i have a pre employment test for an oilfeild job. i am pretty sure it is a dot test. first question is it possible to detect synthetics through this test or is it best to strip and test days prior. i was gonna buy the same product this threads about but i am freakijg out. any help would be cool.

[Burnt Toast]

i need some help myself i have spent a week trying to research everything i can to decide my course of action i am6'3 265 lbs and a little overweight. i have a pre employment test for an oilfeild job. i am pretty sure it is a dot test. first question is it possible to detect synthetics through this test or is it best to strip and test days prior. i was gonna buy the same product this threads about but i am freakijg out. any help would be cool.

Under DOT regulations, a "non-human" sample (aka "substituted specimen") is determined by checking the creatinine and specific gravity. Below is the criteria applied under § 40.93 of the DOT regulations (which is still current as of this writing)..

Subpart F - Drug Testing Laboratories
§ 40.93 What criteria do laboratories use to establish that a specimen is dilute or
substituted?
(a) As a laboratory you must consider the primary specimen to be dilute when:
(1) The creatinine concentration is greater than or equal to 2mg/dL but less than 20 mg/dL, and
(2) The specific gravity is greater than 1.0010 but less than 1.0030 on a single aliquot.
(b) As a laboratory you must consider the primary specimen to be substituted when the creatinine concentration is less than 2 mg/dL and the specific gravity is less than or equal to 1.0010 or greater than or equal to 1.0200 on both the initial and confirmatory creatinine tests and on both the initial and confirmatory specific gravity tests on two separate aliquots.
[65 FR 79526, Dec. 19, 2000, as amended at 69 FR 64867, Nov.9, 2004]

Source: U.S. Department of Transportation / Office of the Secretary of Transportation

As long as the synthetic batch is unexpired and had been kept away from direct sunlight, it will pass the validity checks permitted under § 40.91 of the DOT regulations.

For peace of mind, you can always test your synthetic batch with a validity test strip to make sure the creatinine, S/G, pH, etc are all within acceptable ranges. These test strips can be found online cheap by doing a Google search for "drug adulteration test kits".

[brownsugar]

I know that I can be pulled for random tests any time at my job (a job that i love) so I had bought about 3 bottles of Ultra Pure Synthetic and carried them in my bag every day for several months. never exposed to direct light (other than moving in and out of my bag quickly in rooms with artificial lights). i'd heated and cooled several times. once i ordered adulterant test strips online and tested a sample from one of the bottles, and it passed everything.

Anyway, I used Ultra Pure Synthetic for a lab test in Louisiana in August 2012. I had an hour to drive myself over to the lab. As soon as I found out, I opened and shook up one of the heating pads. I took some hot water from the instant tap on our office coffee pot and carried a large styrofoam cup of it out to the car with me. i spent a few minutes dipping 2 of the bottles into the water then pulling them out and shaking them up to evenly distribute the temperature. i made sure to not actually dip the heating strips into the hot water so that they wouldnt get messed up in any way.

I wanted to start at a high temp bc i figured time would allow it to cool, but it could be difficult or impossible to heat up at the last minute. also, i figured transferring it to a cold container and blank temp strip would probably drop my reading a few degrees. so once i got the bottles up to a uniform temp at or just above about 100 degrees, i rubberbanded the heat pack around one of them, then stuck one 2-oz. bottle in each bra cup. made sure they were secure enough to where there was no chance of them falling out and no noticeable lumps or anything visibly weird.

i went into the building, nervous as hell. i made sure i seemed calm and casual. i showed my drivers license, filled out a short form, and went directly into a completely private bathroom with a locking door. they told me not to turn on the water or flush the toilet at all until i'd handed over my sample. they showed me where the cup had to be filled up to, and it was pretty low, about 2 oz. I had the privacy to take my time and spread out so i too both bottles out of my shirt/bra and set them on the ground and set down the sample cup i had to fill. i calmly poured one whole bottle in and a little out of the other one. i made sure the temp strip was solidly in the 90 to 100 range, a little high to allow for cooling. i screwed the caps back on my bottles and put the empty bottle in one bra cup and the semi-full bottle with rubberband and heat pad back into the other bra. i checked around and made sure i wasnt leaving anything behind. i peed in the toilet and wiped with toilet paper and threw that in the toilet. then i went out handed over the sample and left. i never heard anything back and it's been 3 months so i'm sure now that it went fine. i was pretty nervous for the first week or so but honestly as soon as i was done it was a pretty big relief already.

i spent hours and hours reading things like this and found way more questions than answers - so i just wanted to share my results and give some other people peace of mind. if you know you will get a private room (i casually asked around at work about how the place was - and i think it's reasonable to refuse to be watched peeing anyway), then id definitely recommend doing this. and if you know what lab u will be going to, you can go on their website and read what type of adulterant tests they do. most people just test for additives (like bleach, etc.), SG, creatine, pH, and temperature - all of which are taken care of by ultra pure. if you handle the switch and temperature correctly, then you should be fine. the only things i've heard of failing for are not having uric acid and that is not typically included in adulterant tests. also i switched to ultra pure because i have heard that it is one of the only brands that actually does include uric acid, but it is not heavily advertised as such so i'm not positive about that.

[BigTacross]

If I have an NIDA/DOT test will I need to keep the temp 94-100 degrees F?

Im unsure how to go about doing this. I could heat it up in the microwave and keep it in handwarmers I guess, right? But if they make me empty out all my pockets if I just keep it in my crotch is that good enough?