nah it's alright a lil persitince (sp?) and help from spybot search and destroy and ccleaner (short for crap cleaner...both free btw if anyone has problems with thier computer....they work very willl) and basic knowledge of what should be on my computer (as in under program files) i can get rid of it....but it is so damn hard to do...cuz when you think you got it all deleted more pops up.....DAMNIT THERE GOES ANOTHER ONE!!!!! guess i got more work to do lol....oh yea....and i just reformatted my hard drive (basic thing you mentioned except mine has a built in second hard drive so it's a bit easier) like 3 days ago....i'm not looking forward to doing that again...cuz the only game i can play on dial up....is too big for cds and takes 10 HOURS TO DL! ....so yea i'll avoid all that if i can.....man impatients just doesn't pay off....if i would had waited til i had everything set up perfectly this wouldn't be happening.....