Getting to be a bit more of a 911 "Help Please?"

[Pencil5522]

Here is the best I can do filling out the info form (PS... took me a while to find this in a thread as I could locate it on the main page etc at all) I tried a post 2 days ago and didnt get any response... so I finally found the form and am trying this again.. :thumbsup:

Plants is in Vegative (Obviously from the pictures). This is growing fairly well and new growth looks great ebyond every tip has a brown issue (at least yellow).. Leaf curl down and in bad etc.. Pictures tell a thousand words)

What is your experience level? FIRST TIMER (But very experienced with outdorr growing of gadens, trees, flowers in general)
Your Equipment:
.1) Type and wattage of lights. (T-5 Florsecent, specifically a 4' 8 bulb)
.2) Distance from tops? (6" to 12")
.3) Reflector type? (See Picture
.4) Is there a consistent fresh air supply? (YES)
.5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan? (YES)
.6) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule?

Your medium:
.7) Specific brand and type of soil, (Fox Farm - Ocean Forest ... pre PH adjusted (supposedly) to 6.3 - 6.8) and anything you've added to it. (Nothing Added)
.8) Size of container. (3 Gallon)
.9) Did you use peat pucks (or similar) to root clones or germinate seedlings? (unkown - I bought these clones/cutting rooted into same soil I am useing)

Your nutrients and water:
10) Source of water? (Tap) What's it's ph before adjusting? (Intersting.. it is 7.15 into a clean cup at the tap.... 7.75 in a clean 5 gallon bucket once out in grow room)
11) Method of checking water ph. (PH electronic tester)
12) Method of adjusting water ph. (Nothing done as of yet)
13) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule. (N/A as I am just in Vegative)
14) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering? (water about every 32 hours as the plants are growing and roots developing and a great usage of water happening, I judge weight of 3 gallon pot and if getting light because of usage I add a quart of water)
15) Any additives or tea's? (Just what is already in the Fox Farm blend)
16) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate? (only 3 weeks into this so do not have a huge history.... for now they are stable)
17) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph? (Have not tested runoff as of yet) (have never watered so greatly there was any runnoff.... YET)
18) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray? (I have not done any spaying at all. This plant is the only one hurting out of 6 I have going. the person I got the rooted clone from had just sprayed the day he brought them for spyder mites... it was his second spray. and I have not seen any news signs of the mites)

Your growroom:
19) Indoors or outdoors? (Indoors)
20) What size of closet, room or hut? (the veg room is a 5' X 6' room 8" tall, and it is the back 1/3 of the whole grow room)
21) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off? (lights are on 24/0 right now. Temp is 73 to 75 degress. Humidty is a wild guess at a round 55 to 62 right now and has been for the past 2 weeks)
22) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom? (couple misquitos.. and this plant was treated via spraying for Spyder Mites 9 days ago when it arrived)

Your strain:
23) What strain are you growing? (not sure on dominate strain... it is a Green Crack)
24) From seeds or clones? (Rooted Clone)
25) Is this an autoflower strain? (No Idea... I am a virgin here, and have tons of study still to go on strains)


Thank you in advance.

Pencil5522 Reviewed by Pencil5522 on 03-18-2012. Getting to be a bit more of a 911 "Help Please?" Here is the best I can do filling out the info form (PS... took me a while to find this in a thread as I could locate it on the main page etc at all) I tried a post 2 days ago and didnt get any response... so I finally found the form and am trying this again.. :thumbsup: Plants is in Vegative (Obviously from the pictures). This is growing fairly well and new growth looks great ebyond every tip has a brown issue (at least yellow).. Leaf curl down and in bad etc.. Pictures tell a thousand Rating: 5

[Pencil5522]

I have tried a few things (and as you know, you need to let each one run for at least a couple days to see if it is helping).

Once again on a few of the main items.

Water PH - 6.75 (for the past couple days, and did a large water to soak the whole pot until water ran out the bottom 2 days ago) (PH was around 7.5 prior)
Temperature - 73 through 75
Humidity - 50 to 52
Lights - were on 24/0. Yesterday (last night I switched to 20/4) Lights about 6" from top of plant.
Air - Total room air swap is done at least 6 times a day. (12 X 14 room). The small room these are in is in a corner and has continuous air flow.

All new vegatation has the very leaf tips brown when they first come out.

Attached Picture shows the other 4 plants I have going, and for the first run, I have to think they are looking pretty good.

Help ??? Ideas?? (maybe it was the spary the dude did that got me the clone? he used "Organocide" for Spider Mites, and may have over done the spray??)

[ThePinkJina]

She looks a little over watered. Watering should be every 5-7 days for the amount of energy used. The problem here is that you are not letting the roots fight for that last drink of water. You want the soil in the bottom of the pot to be dry before watering it again. The roots will never find their way to the bottom of the planter if the top soil stays wet. The roots are on a a single mission "Water" Let it dry out a few extra days then water it. Marijuana a.k.a. (WEED) is a resilient plant. If it looks dry and droopy, add water. Within 2 hours of adding water it will perk right back up.

1 other thing you can do to help weather stress, is buying some kind of Silica supplement. I prefer Botanicare's: Silica Blast.Attachment 283563 "Silica Blast Plant Bio-Mass Yield Enhancer is a beneficial nutrient supplement aimed to strengthen plant tissue and be used in conjunction with Botanicare's nutrients or your preferred standard nutrient program. Silica Blast is ideal for use in soilless container and hydroponic applications as well as soil applications. The silicate in Silica Blast helps the formation of a sturdy silicate matrix in cell walls. The strengthened cells result in reduced transpiration rates and allows plants to continue photosynthesis under stressed environments."

[Pencil5522]

I am in a dry out stage after giving the flushing soak two days ago. I had let it get pretty dry (judging by the weight of the whole pot etc).

I was told about 30 minutes ago that the guy I got the clone from had in fact evidently oversprayed for mites and that all of the leaves existing when he did it on all his plants have became basically dormant and only his new growth is producing and continueing to grow.

Makes me think it might be more a bit of a overkill on the bug killer... so to speak, and it is still working its way out of the plant.

BUT.... I will continue letting it dry out as you stated (thanks for you input).... and see where it goes... worst case I loose 1 plant, and learn a whole bunch. :thumbsup:

[Pencil5522]

Friday 3/23/12 Update. (still hopeful there is a learning experience here that more than just myself can benefit from).

I have this plant in a soil dry out cycle after doing a flush 2 plus days ago (watering until a small amount came out of container bottom holes).

I have also trimmed a couple of the dried out browned leaves off as I am feeling they still may be holding poisons potentially from over spraying for bugd by the person who did the clone for me. (I have not sprayed anything and the nursery appears thus far to be clean of pests).

I am curious if it is felt to be advisable to continue trimming of apprently damaged and dead leaves as new growth comes on to replace it???

[polishpollack]

the brown tips is typical of too much nitrogen - fert burn. could be from over-water perhaps. not really sure what your problem is as you write that you're just using foxfarm soil with nothing added. if that's the case, then I suspect that you're over-watering. the whole flush, dry, flush thing is just rumor. flushing is done by alot of growers but really isn't necessary. don't flush this plant anymore than you flush any other.

[Pencil5522]

I have just started doing my own clones recently so the clones I have got to date from othersa, I cannot be totally sure what soil they are in. I was totally told that this plant is in fact in the foxfarm (and that it should be bulletproof all thru Veg). I have to say that accoring to all the info I read on the nutrients need during veg that the Foxfarm bag reads as though it is totally appropriate.

Obviously I will develope my own opinion of the many variatons of how to do things once I roll through a few months of this and then I will refine as you all have done.. I think I have everything pretty accounted for, and beyond this last time that I flushed (Soaked) (and the ONLY time) the pot I have just added water as most plants would deam necessary. I will still wait for the dry out on this one, and then water as the plants tell me they need it (I will do a Scorpio Mind meld with them... they will talk to me..lol).

I have one other plant that is getting a tiny yellow tip on a few leaves, and that makes me wonder if this Foxfarm is a bit hot. ??

I have added nothing but "PH down" to the water to get it into the the mid to high 6 range, and then watered the plants

Started added a bit of CO2 in the room yesterday (got my setup for that and am using bottled CO2)... I have been told that Veg stage will gobble the CO2 big time, and also have been told that it is the flower stage that needs it Big Time. What stage is the moist important to meet a plants CO2 desires??

I appreciate the feedback, and at the point I am qualified to help others I will in fact pass it along.. (I am far from that point right now)

[polishpollack]

plants are always using c02.
I'm not sure that using pH down is necessary. you might just skip doing that.

[Pencil5522]

3-26-12 update.

I have not watered the plant with issues yet. (pot still feels heavy and that tells me roots are damaged as well as leaves). I will continue to not water until i see it droop a tad from lack of water.

I am keeping the water pH at around 6.7 to 6.8.

I dont have a PPM set up yet for CO2 (the end of the week Ill add it). so I am manually giving the plants a shot a few times a day (maybe 5 or 6 times).

Pictures of the Green Crack from today. The top has lots of new semi goodlooking growth and the lower plant is sending out new leaves. Tips are still burnt. Does not look like it has gotten worse since I flushed it with water. (might take another day or two if it was to show as a Overwatering issue and be a bad deal again).

[Pencil5522]

Once again for a comparison. I have treated all these planst basically the same since I recieved them from the grower who got me the clones.

These two are a "Train Wreck" (the stubby bushy short one), and a "Casey Jones" (leggy and tall)

I think these two are looking great thus far (then again I am a rookie with a capital ROOKIE) grin

Its all a leanring curve.. I will get it dialed in .. BUT all your help is priceless. Thank you,

OH.. and I have ZERO issue telling me where I screwed the pooch on something... bring it..

lol... YES, I will be starting to use a better camera soon... :thumbsup: