I guess I will probably try to use the "Dutch Passion Site" as this seems to be the best maintained site available, and seem to have had all question already asked and answered. I have also checked with several companies that I do business with in Holland and they stopped to check out the location personally for me.....they say it's there and supply a majority of tht coffee houses that supply smoke over the counter. We'll See I guess. Will update with results when recieved. Thanks again for all the help. Will post more later.