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    Judge Okays Abortion For Girl, 13

    Judge Okays Abortion For Girl, 13
    St. Petersburg Times ^ | 5/3/05 | Associated Press


    WEST PALM BEACH - A 13-year-old at the center of an abortion fight with the state was given permission Monday to terminate her pregnancy, but it was unclear whether she immediately underwent the procedure.

    Attorneys for the girl, known only as L.G. in court papers, said the abortion was scheduled for later Monday. However, the state Department of Children and Families appealed the decision, according to Maxine Williams, one of the teen's attorneys.

    "Since this is still in litigation, I can't speak to what's going on in court," DCF spokeswoman Marilyn Munoz said.

    Palm Beach Juvenile Judge Ronald Alvarez issued an order last week temporarily stopping the teen, who lives in a state shelter, from having the abortion. DCF argued she was too young and immature to decide for herself and state law prohibited the agency from consenting to an abortion.

    Alvarez held up the abortion until a psychological evaluation was completed, but he ruled Monday that the teen would not be physically or emotionally harmed by the abortion.

    "Legally speaking, it's not a difficult decision to make," Alvarez was quoted as saying by the South Florida Sun-Sentinel. "Morally speaking, it's a very difficult decision for this court to make. ... But I'm not here to make the moral decision. I'm here to make the legal decisions."

    "He ruled that she is competent, that she has made a decision and that she has a right to act on that decision," said Howard Simon, executive director of the Florida branch of the American Civil Liberties Union, which helped represent the girl. The judge also declared "her right to act on that decision is also in her best interest," Simon said.

    The teen, who was more than 14 weeks pregnant, has been in DCF care for at least four years.

    Her attorneys say Florida law protects a minor's right to choose an abortion.

    Florida's high court cited state privacy rights in 1989 when it tossed out a law that would have required parental consent for a minor's abortion.
    Torog Reviewed by Torog on . Judge Okays Abortion For Girl, 13 Judge Okays Abortion For Girl, 13 St. Petersburg Times ^ | 5/3/05 | Associated Press WEST PALM BEACH - A 13-year-old at the center of an abortion fight with the state was given permission Monday to terminate her pregnancy, but it was unclear whether she immediately underwent the procedure. Attorneys for the girl, known only as L.G. in court papers, said the abortion was scheduled for later Monday. However, the state Department of Children and Families appealed the decision, according Rating: 5

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    Judge Okays Abortion For Girl, 13

    Howdy Y'all,

    This upset me real bad:" Alvarez held up the abortion until a psychological evaluation was completed, but he ruled Monday that the teen would not be physically or emotionally harmed by the abortion. "

    This judge,is wrong on both accounts,the girl will be mentally and physically harmed by the abortion. There's strong evidence,that abortions lead to increased risk of cervical cancer and other health problems,as for the mental,when she realizes that she murdered her own child,who's the only innocent victim in this mess,she could be afflicted with a long lasting depressive disorder.

    Why must the innocent baby,be punished for the sins of it's mother and father,and the sins of the DCF ? The 'father',should be identified and charged with statutory rape,someone should be punished at DCF,the 'mother',should be held accountable..but by no means,should an innocent life be murdered,because of the failures of others.

    Once again,the left-wing,liberal culture of death..wins yet again..pretty daggum sad..to murder a child for the sins and crimes of others.

    Have a good one...

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    Judge Okays Abortion For Girl, 13

    If you're so against abortions, I suggest that you never be involved in one. But you have absolutely zero right to say what anyone else does.

    Why is it that Republicans, who always talk about the big, bad government intruding into people's lives, always seem to have something to say about...other people's lives?

    And don't say it's about protecting a life. Because that's a lie. If protecting lives was sooo important to Republicans, who have controlled every branch of the U.S. government for going on five years, would there be genocide and famine in Africa? Would we support terrorists, excuse me, "freedom fighters," in South America? Would we systematically destroy the environment almost guaranteeing that future generations aren't going to live that long? Come on. The ball's been in your court for a while now and you guys are in complete control. No one is stopping you.

    And don't say we can't control what happens in other countries either because I remember not too long ago when we thumbed our noses at the rest of the world and invaded Iraq because they had weapons of mass...umm, I mean, they were a threat to...umm, uhh, Saddam was bad to his own people.

    It's religious zealotry, plain and simple. Republicans cannot stand the fact that not everyone subscribes to a Judeo-Christian ideology, so they come up with catchy phrases like "culture of life" to try and pit Americans against each other. Because after all, who can be against life? It's us bleeding-heart, tree-hugging, baby-killing liberals, right?

    Last time I checked, we're the ones who want to make sure that kids get proper sex education so hopefully they won't be put in a bad situation like in the story you posted. We're the ones who want to make sure condoms are available to cut down on unwanted pregnancies (ie, abortions) and rates of STD transmission (some of those can kill ya). Christ, we're the ones who want to help poor people (the ones who disproportionally have most of the unwanted pregnancies in America) get out of poverty so this stuff stops happening. But no; God doesn't want that, huh?

    Beyond that, we're the ones against the death-damn-penalty (while you guys want to execute retarded people, literally, and kids) and people being able to buy assault rifles. I mean, honestly. Who hunts with an uzi or an M-16? Hell, who hunts with a handgun? The only time anyone ever hears of those weapons, it's when somebody gets KILLED.

    Culture of life my ass.

    And by the way, no one is pro-abortion as the GOP likes to spout off over and over again. It's just that some of us are pro-CHOICE.

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    Judge Okays Abortion For Girl, 13

    What does this have to do with Liberals? Last time I checked, it was the Republicans that were in power.

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    Judge Okays Abortion For Girl, 13

    Quote Originally Posted by Torog
    as for the mental,when she realizes that she murdered her own child,who's the only innocent victim in this mess,she could be afflicted with a long lasting depressive disorder.
    A 13 year old girl that managed to get pregnant and doesn't want the hassle? I doubt she'll give the slightest shit. Sad but true.

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    Judge Okays Abortion For Girl, 13

    Quote Originally Posted by bhallg2k
    If you're so against abortions, I suggest that you never be involved in one. But you have absolutely zero right to say what anyone else does.
    You could have just said that and sounded alot cooler. -laughs-

    Anyway, abortions suck, and they're sad. Really really fucking sad. But they aren't my forte' since I don't have a vagina and all. And unless I impregnate a female who wants an abortion, I'll try my hardest to never tell someone what to do when it comes to an abortion.

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    Judge Okays Abortion For Girl, 13

    Extreme Right Wing Republicans will never understand that this Country is supposed to be Diverse and different people have different values and ideas. Extreme Chrisitans will never get off their high horse and they will never stop thinking that everyone should live like they do, think like they do and if you dont run the life their having your contributing to the destruction of America, (Which BTW, Bush is doin a fine job) And if you don't think like they do you're somehow evil.

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    Judge Okays Abortion For Girl, 13

    Quote Originally Posted by Button Basher
    What does this have to do with Liberals? Last time I checked, it was the Republicans that were in power.

    According to Torog, there is a Secret Society of Evil Democrats that want to rule the world.

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    Judge Okays Abortion For Girl, 13

    "Why must the innocent baby,be punished for the sins of it's mother and father,and the sins of the DCF ? The 'father',should be identified and charged with statutory rape,someone should be punished at DCF,the 'mother',should be held accountable..but by no means,should an innocent life be murdered,because of the failures of others"

    How do you know she wasnt raped, Torog?!?

    Quote Originally Posted by bhallg2k
    If you're so against abortions, I suggest that you never be involved in one. But you have absolutely zero right to say what anyone else does.

    Why is it that Republicans, who always talk about the big, bad government intruding into people's lives, always seem to have something to say about...other people's lives?

    And don't say it's about protecting a life. Because that's a lie. If protecting lives was sooo important to Republicans, who have controlled every branch of the U.S. government for going on five years, would there be genocide and famine in Africa? Would we support terrorists, excuse me, "freedom fighters," in South America? Would we systematically destroy the environment almost guaranteeing that future generations aren't going to live that long? Come on. The ball's been in your court for a while now and you guys are in complete control. No one is stopping you.

    And don't say we can't control what happens in other countries either because I remember not too long ago when we thumbed our noses at the rest of the world and invaded Iraq because they had weapons of mass...umm, I mean, they were a threat to...umm, uhh, Saddam was bad to his own people.

    It's religious zealotry, plain and simple. Republicans cannot stand the fact that not everyone subscribes to a Judeo-Christian ideology, so they come up with catchy phrases like "culture of life" to try and pit Americans against each other. Because after all, who can be against life? It's us bleeding-heart, tree-hugging, baby-killing liberals, right?

    Last time I checked, we're the ones who want to make sure that kids get proper sex education so hopefully they won't be put in a bad situation like in the story you posted. We're the ones who want to make sure condoms are available to cut down on unwanted pregnancies (ie, abortions) and rates of STD transmission (some of those can kill ya). Christ, we're the ones who want to help poor people (the ones who disproportionally have most of the unwanted pregnancies in America) get out of poverty so this stuff stops happening. But no; God doesn't want that, huh?

    Beyond that, we're the ones against the death-damn-penalty (while you guys want to execute retarded people, literally, and kids) and people being able to buy assault rifles. I mean, honestly. Who hunts with an uzi or an M-16? Hell, who hunts with a handgun? The only time anyone ever hears of those weapons, it's when somebody gets KILLED.

    Culture of life my ass.

    And by the way, no one is pro-abortion as the GOP likes to spout off over and over again. It's just that some of us are pro-CHOICE.
    Well-fucking-said! You're my new hero, lol

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    Judge Okays Abortion For Girl, 13

    Quote Originally Posted by XTC
    According to Torog, there is a Secret Society of Evil Democrats that want to rule the world.

    that person was john kerry and john edwards and thankfully they were bitch slapped nov.2. they werent evil,just rich,white trash.

    as for abortion,pro-choice over here.

    it is sad that poor folks use it as birth control.
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