Judge Okays Abortion For Girl, 13

[Torog]

Yes, Lets not have our teenagers take adult decisions. Let's shelter them until they are 30 and force down their necks that God's will should be EVERYONE'S Will. I mean their fasicnation about sex is Only NATURAL.

Howdy XTC,

School should be about educating children...not for promoting sexual activity,parents should teach the kids about sexual matters,when they feel the kid is ready,not when some daggum,secular humanist,feels it's time. This is also,just another way for secularists,to attack family's of Faith.

[GHoSToKeR]

Torog, what about families who are not religious? Do their children have to live by your morals? Im sure if you didnt want one of your children to be taught about sex in school then you can discuss that with the school and your kid wouldnt have to attend that class... but why should the rest of the kids - whos parents DO want them to learn about sex in school - miss out just because you disagree with it?

[XTC]

Why are Chrisitans So special. Everything has to be their way and forced upon all. I mean public schools have a rich diversity and not every single child grew up in a Christian/Catholic enviroment. So their parents might have different view on different topics such as sexual education. Schools don't promote sex or else.. I would go back to Highschool, but they educate them. I dont know one school that would promote sex.

[Torog]

yeah! God forbid that our kids should grow up actually appreciating and understanding sex.. God forbid that they should learn to explore their sexuality!!! No!!! We'll shelter them and make sure they dont know sh*t about sh*t...

and while we're at it, lets beat them with our belts, just so they learn their lessons..

Howdy GhostToker,

Children,don't need to appreciate or understand sex..their job,is to grow up and get an education..not have as many sexual partners as possible. There should be more beatings with belts,discipline and punishment,should be established early and the child should be made aware,that their parents are the absolute authority..until they achieve an age of majority and leave the home. I spanked my kid,when she was growing,but not much,because she's a fast learner,my brother and I,however,required many a beatin with a belt..I'm glad that my dad cared enough to set us straight..it made us into better adults. I told him several years ago,thanx for spanking us,and setting boundaries,it established a clear sense of wrong and right,and that we are each responsible for our own decisions..and should be held accountable for them. My girlfriend has told me,that her parents didn't care what she did,and that she wishes that they had,like mine did. Because,just maybe,she wouldn't have been raped when she was only 13..and raped again,before she was 15..she never told her parents,because she felt that they didn't care.

Have a good one...

[GHoSToKeR]

Torog, neither of my parents has EVER beaten me or my brother and sisters.. All three of my sisters are now successful people, and my brother is in a job that he wants to be in, and is also successful.. They all have a sense of right and wrong, good and bad.. All three of my sisters have children, and are all excellent parents, and they dont beat their children.. Are you saying my parents shdould have beaten them? Are you saying my sisters should beat their children?

Your girlfriend being raped is a sad and horrible thing.. But it was not HER fault that it happened.. it was the fault of the people who did it to her

I have never been beaten by my parents, as I said.. In fact, both of my parents are quite 'liberal' in their methods of parenting, and yet i am a well rounded individual, who does his best not to hurt or harm others.. I consider it a bonus that i will never beat my children.

Its true that you raise your children how you were raised yourself... so i am glad i was never beaten, because i never wish to beat my children.. I dont think respect through fear is a positive kind of respect.

I believe that the only way to educate people about STD's, AIDs, etc, is to teach them about sex and how to be safe. Also, kids are going to have sex whether you want them to or not.. is it not better that they know about the consequences of unsafe sex?

[GHoSToKeR]

oh, and don't get me wrong, Torog.. Its not like I want e veryone to grow up and participate in bondage, orgies and all kinds of wierd sex with hundreds of random partners.. I just think its a good idea for everybody to understand and appreciate sex, and to grow up without thinking that sex is something to be ashamed of.

[XTC]

ANother point I want to make and I am not! attacking religion. I, myself a catholic believe that RELIGION HAS NO PLACE IN POLITICS, It does not belong in politics though because of its absolute, non-universal, and passionate nature. In the next four years, I believe we will see a disastrous reversal of civil rights and a movement backwards. Equality based on race and sexual orientation will have to wait another four years, and by then there will probably be a lot more court cases against our side. Some specifics that I predict:

1) roe v wade will be overturned, and if not, there will be more restrictions on abortion like parental notification
2) gay rights are gone. absolutely gone. I believe 12 states passed bans on gay marriage through referendums on election day. A constitutional amendment is the next thing.
3) massive misuse of federal funds. To pay for military action and tax cuts, social programs will have to be dismantled.
4) incredible anti-americanism. The world already hates us, and we are going to become public enemy .1 if we fuck with any other country (which we will)

I have one hope, and that is fillibustering. The republicans don't have enough in the senate to stop it. It's the only hope to challenge the agenda.

[amsterdam]

1. even if it was(wich it wont be)it dosent make it illegal,the states can choose.

2. it was 14 states

3. look a little bit closer at the economy kiddo.i made ALOT of money last year(stocks and bonds)and the unemployment rate is lower than when your hero clinton was around.

4. i am quite sure you havent done much traveling so i should say,DONT BE A SUCKER FOR MOORES MOVIES AND CNN.i traveled all over europe,russia and the middle east and had a blast.NEVER HAD A PROBLEM.DONT BELIEVE THE HYPE.

[amsterdam]

it dosent matter,every year all over the world(England,Australia,United States)liberal ideas and politics are rejected by the people and pushed aside.you guys are missing the real revolution.

[bhallg2k]

Oh, man, it would take an hour to set all of this lying and distorting straight. I don't know where to begin. But I'll try.

Torog: How the hell does sex education make kids have sex? Does drug education make kids take drugs (might be the wrong place to ask that)? Does driver's ed cause kids to be in car crashes? My sex education class wasn't "hands-on" and I don't think that's the case for anyone.

And what of the people who don't share your morals and values? Christianity is not absolute, no matter what you may think. Suppose, hypothetically, that our kids go to the same school, but I don't want my kid learning any math because it goes against our Headinthesand-ism. Wouldn't you be pissed off when I go to the school board railing against the evil math teaching going on at taxpayer expense? Wouldn't you be irate when I called for the end of math teaching? Wouldn't it make more sense if I just decided to pull my kid out of math instead of trying to take it away from everyone?

And how does me not wanting to execute criminals constitute a want on my part for their continued criminal actions? Don't we have prisons or am I mistaken?

Why is me stating the fact that famine and genocide in Africa are happening tantamount to blaming those things on America? I guess you must blame your newspaper for everything you read in it.

Stop distorting what people say. Damn. That's the only reason why I went off on that rant before. You blamed that kids abortion on me. I will not fucking stand for that.

And yes, I know that the assault weapons you speak of aren't fully automatic. But the kits used to make them fully automatic are out there and available to anyone who wants one. You can make an M-16 fully automatic, but you can't make a 30-06 automatic. And by your "sex education making kids fuck" rationale, doesn't the fact that such kits are available mean that all assault rifles will be fully automatic in the end?

amsterdam: Of course you had no problems travelling around the world. You'll find that most people in the world are more tolerant towards differing viewpoints.

Would you agree that American homosexuals are still citizens? And would you also agree that the Constitution gives equal protection to American citizens? I think you'll start to see those 14 states having to reverse their stance on gay marriage in the near future, no matter what the people voted.

And I'm glad you made a lot of money in stocks and bonds. Good for you. But most people don't trade stocks and bonds though. The stock market has gone up 135% over the last ten years while the minimum wage still puts people working full time on it under the poverty line. The unemployment rate is down because a lot of people have resorted to working two or three of those low-paying jobs to make ends meet.

XTC: Please start crediting Bill Maher for your "new rules." Otherwise, we're cool.