Sweet Deep Grapefruit - Showing Defficiency or Stress

[ScrogDog]

Three plants are going strong. One is a runt. Two are showing signs of distress or deficiency runt and one other but runt is the the worst of the two. They are only 3 weeks old so the FFOF should be buffered and nutes in soil should be sufficient. I gave them molasses 1 time. Other than that just straight water. Note that the hydrodon sits on top of the soil. It helps defeat insects, prevents the soil from be disrupted by water stream, and looks good...

I am wondering if they want a little feeding? I'm new to the FFOF soils so any help appreciated!

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Your Equipment:
.1) Type and wattage of lights. 150w LED (3w diodes - works great)
.2) Distance from tops? 1 foot
.3) Reflector type? bare diodes
.4) Is there a consistent fresh air supply? Yes
.5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan? Yes
.6) What are the bulb wattage, kelvin ratings, and schedule? 18/6 Mix for Red and Blue

Your medium:
.7) Specific brand and type of soil, (coco, peat based soilless...) and anything you've added to it. (vermiculite, perlite, worm castings...) Fox Farm Ocean Forest
.8) Size of container. 1 gallon
.9) Did you use peat pucks (or similar) to root clones or germinate seedlings? Seeds - paper towel.

Your nutrients and water:
10) Source of water? (tap, bottled or filtered) What's it's ph before adjusting? Tap @ 6.9 before nutes and adjustment
11) Method of checking water ph. (ph pen, test strips, aquarium test kit...) pH pen
12) Method of adjusting water ph. (phosphoric acid, white vinegar, hydrated lime, PH Up...) pH up / down
13) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule. None. Relying on nutes in the soil.
14) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering? water 1x 5 - 7 days @ 1 1/2 cups per plant.
15) Any additives or tea's? (Superthrive, CalMag, molasses, Mother's Earth...) Molasses 1x
16) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate? Should be stable. I have not watered to run off.
17) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph? Ingoing is 6.4 - 6.6. I haven't watered to run off.
18) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray? No

Your growroom:
19) Indoors or outdoors? Indoors
20) What size of closet, room or hut? Grow area is 3' x 5'x 6' but room is larger.
21) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off? 82/78 @ 40% RH
22) Have you seen signs of insects in the grow room? No

Your strain:
23) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?) Sweet Deep Grapefruit which is a mix but more indica.
24) From seeds or clones? Seeds
25) Is this an autoflower strain? No

ScrogDog Reviewed by ScrogDog on 11-21-2011. Sweet Deep Grapefruit - Showing Defficiency or Stress Three plants are going strong. One is a runt. Two are showing signs of distress or deficiency runt and one other but runt is the the worst of the two. They are only 3 weeks old so the FFOF should be buffered and nutes in soil should be sufficient. I gave them molasses 1 time. Other than that just straight water. Note that the hydrodon sits on top of the soil. It helps defeat insects, prevents the soil from be disrupted by water stream, and looks good... I am wondering if they want a little Rating: 5

[GaGrown]

Scrog,
They kinda look hungry... Why the dry hyrdoton. Is the fox farm under that?

Ga.

[pushit]

It looks to me like a little mag def. The reason i say this is cause the leaves are dark in the middle and get lighter towards the edge. This will happen if your phd water is 6.4 and lower. I use FFOF also and havent had any problems during veg so thats why im questioning the ph. If i remember right molasses will drop the ph? Try watering with 6.8 the next couple waterings and see if that helps. Im just guessing here so even if i am wrong raising the ph a little wont kill anything haha

Also, was the hydroton soaked in phd water before you put it on top of the pots?

[bigsby]

Hey pushit, good to see that RH elevated you to moderator over at that other place. I recommended that to RH a few days before he booted me which of course was a few days after I completed the upgrade, something he could never have done by himself. Just to set the record straight, I never locked him out or tried to take control. I could have done that 3 weeks earlier when I was given full root access to the server. I could have walked away with it lock, stock and barrel. And I told him that he should never trust someone like that again b/c he could have lost it all.

There was a period of 10 hours when I was doing the upgrade during which the server was unreachable which freaked him out. I put security in place when I did the upgrade so that the server would be less vulnerable to hackers which also freaked him out. But I walked him through everything and I was available to him via email and skype but he chose to freak out instead. No, he just wanted me off the boat once I had done the work. Whatever. Just know that I could have taken the whole boat down and sent it back to where it came from - phpBBS or whatever crap it was. But I didn't do that, only out of respect for RT, DP GA, yourself, etc.. There are so many holes in that backend I could still walk right in and delete the whole ball of wax and walk away with his URL to boot. And I don't know dick so there are millions who could do the same... But you should know what you are dealing with. Sorry to threadjack ScrogDog!

[pushit]

Hey pushit, good to see that RH elevated you to moderator over at that other place. I recommended that to RH a few days before he booted me which of course was a few days after I completed the upgrade, something he could never have done by himself. Just to set the record straight, I never locked him out or tried to take control. I could have done that 3 weeks earlier when I was given full root access to the server. I could have walked away with it lock, stock and barrel. And I told him that he should never trust someone like that again b/c he could have lost it all.

There was a period of 10 hours when I was doing the upgrade during which the server was unreachable which freaked him out. I put security in place when I did the upgrade so that the server would be less vulnerable to hackers which also freaked him out. But I walked him through everything and I was available to him via email and skype but he chose to freak out instead. No, he just wanted me off the boat once I had done the work. Whatever. Just know that I could have taken the whole boat down and sent it back to where it came from - phpBBS or whatever crap it was. But I didn't do that, only out of respect for RT, DP GA, yourself, etc.. There are so many holes in that backend I could still walk right in and delete the whole ball of wax and walk away with his URL to boot. And I don't know dick so there are millions who could do the same... But you should know what you are dealing with. Sorry to threadjack ScrogDog!

All i can say is i have much respect for you and RH. You both have been cool as hell to me. When all that went down i took a neutral stance. I didnt/dont know the whole story and situation and to be honest this is the first time i have even commented about it. But I will say that I appreciate all the work you put into it and thanks for not deleting it. Im sure im not the only one. I know you put in alot of work and time. So keeping my neutral stance, both of you kick ass. Sorry for the threadjack ScrogDog

[ScrogDog]

Hey take that piss show somewhere else. I'm dealing with REAL issues here! No worries. Happy to play Helsinki where your two can talk in measured tones...

I've had a few others weigh in both here and elsewhere. The consensus seems to be raise the pH to 6.8 and lay off the molasses until later in flower. So that's the route I'm going to go, at least for the next week or two. I'm out of town anyway so they won't be getting any attention anyway. Hope they do OK with me gone!

Thanks everyone!

[ScrogDog]

Scrog,
They kinda look hungry... Why the dry hyrdoton. Is the fox farm under that?

Ga.

I use the hydroton on top of the soil. I do this for a few reasons. First, I just like the way it looks in picture. It really sets off the plants. Second, it keeps the soil from being disturbed by watering, and third, it discourages insects. A number of the nasties require access to damp surface soil for their reproductive cycle. The clay dries out very quickly leaving nowhere for the insects to bread. Finally, it keeps the soil moist longer under the glare of the lights. Mostly though it's because I had a bag that was never going to get used otherwise!

[ScrogDog]

Also, was the hydroton soaked in phd water before you put it on top of the pots?

I did rinse them. I didn't soak them. Issues?

[pushit]

I did rinse them. I didn't soak them. Issues?

I dont know anything about hydro but i think i read somewhere that if the hydroton isnt soaked in phd water that they will play hell with ph. Once again im just going by my fuzzy memory haha.

[GaGrown]

Would be issues if the pot was full of it. Even if you rinsed them. I like to soak and rinse them more than one time. You should be fine,though! There only decorations,SWEET!

Ga.