How do plants get rid of there extra sugar?

[canadianhemperor]

I know but your problems comes from excess nutrients in the soils. And just watering it with water may help, but adding enzymes will help transforme the "sugar" in the soil so the plant can absorbe it correctly. Enzymes transforme organic matter into food for the plant, to make it simple. Less work for the plant. If this does not solve your problem, then it's a bacteria or disease or something else and your problem is out of my league.

[canadianhemperor]

Wooo dont check the spelling in the first phrase it's horrible full of sssss, and tell us more info on the grow, what kind of light are you using,ph level stuff like that.

[Audi331]

1000 watt hps. Ph is 6.5 everythings good on the plant there no way there's too many nutrition in the soil. There's no chemical burn anywhere. Just those tiny sacks under a few stems. There about 2 feet tall. And way wider then my arm spand in a circle. Lights 18'' away from the canopy level. Stays 76 to 78 degrees. With fan 24/7. I don't think its a oroblem with the plant. Necaude when you remove it a clear liquid slowly comes out.

[WashougalWonder]

I don't think its a oroblem with the plant. Necaude when you remove it a clear liquid slowly comes out.

Hmmm, I wonder if you have bugs? Spider mites? Do your leaves have little whitish spots on them?

I know but your problems comes from excess nutrients in the soils. And just watering it with water may help, but adding enzymes will help transforme the "sugar" in the soil so the plant can absorbe it correctly. Enzymes transforme organic matter into food for the plant, to make it simple. Less work for the plant

Can you point me to any documentation that provided that information?

Forgot to tell you Ro water or distilled water is the water you want to use .Most people use Ro .... Dont use municipal water it kills the enzymes( because of chlorine) and if you have well water (hard water) it's full of contaminants mostly limescale........!So it's not good for the plant. People who use that kind of water tend to get brown leaves ,ph issues and diseases ..........

You need to prove it, as I have stated many times that RO is bad water to use and tap water provides the best source of water and micronutrients. Sure some muni's have bad water...they have to make the water quality reports avail to public, so find out. RO/distilled has nothing but water and no micronutrients, and will cause yellowing, browning, scrawny growth. You have scientific proof to prove me wrong please post it, but many others have now tried getting off the RO and onto tap water and find they are doing much better.

That being said, I don't know the product you speak of, but my tops are as big around as my wrist on a 2 foot plant, what are yours like on a 2 footer?

[Rusty Trichome]

Wash, nice to see you found my GRUMPY pills, lol. Is that PokerFace...?

Buy some sensizym it will help get rid of the excess sugar in the soil .

Where do you get that info? I just read their product description, and it mentions nothing of the sort...

and if you have well water (hard water) it's full of contaminants mostly limescale........!So it's not good for the plant. People who use that kind of water tend to get brown leaves ,ph issues and diseases ..........

Gee. Bummer. I've been on wellwater (calcium/magnesium substrate) for about 7 years now. I don't, repeat DON'T R/O or otherwise filter the water, but I do have to adjust the 7.9 ph. I know you're trying to help, but there's a few of here that believe you don't need all that grow-crap some of these companies want to sell you. What they fail to tell you, is that there are enough beneficials in fresh potting soil to take you from start to finish, if you water and feed properly. Growing hydro is a different story...

A better idea would be to figure-out what the fuck is going on, and make the PROPER adjustments. We flush excess salts, not sugars. The sugars are like growth candy for the beneficial bacteria in the soil, and the sugar dissipates fairly quickly. I doubt you have a sugar build-up unless you're overusing the Bud Candy. Speaking of Bud Candy, unsulfered molasses is, in my book, a better choice. (A replacement for carbo-load products and CalMag Plus) As far as I'm concerned, the CalMag is nothing more than man-made molasses that's diluted and sold as a high-end product. Molasses (1 teaspoon per gallon per week in flower) has all the calcium, magnesium, carbs and iron they'll need. Are you spraying the Bud Candy on the plants?

Is the problen IN the leaves, or ON the leaves? (is the issue going in, or coming out, lol)

What's your lowest night time temps?

If you go around to a few posts, and post stuff like "Cool garden" or "Nice job"...you can run your post count up a bit quicker, and you'll be able to post pix.

Fix your post count, copy-n-paste the troubleshooting form here, then fill it out and post pix, all asap. You've got 5 minutes.....GO. <kidding> The sooner you do these 4 things, the sooner we can try to diagnose what's up.

[canadianhemperor]

Hi Rusty Trichome,Well water quality can vary from one well to the other. You are one of the lucky ones with a good well, with good water. How many ppm,s in your wellwater? Some have over 700ppm+ and that's a plant killer. Enzymes brake down organic matter so it's easier for the plant to absorb nutrients in the soil, "sugar" is organic so enzyme eat it up like other organic matter. here is part of sensizym info:

"You see, if you were growing outdoors in the healthiest, most fertile soil, your plants' roots would be surrounded by billions of beneficial microbes that manufacture enzymes.

These enzymes are constantly breaking down dead roots, other organic matter, and unused nutrients. They transform them into materials that your plants use for fuel to make more vigorous growth and maximize yields. Rich enzymes in the root zone are one main reason outdoor plants get so huge and productive."

[canadianhemperor]

This is an example of what can be found in well water: There are a number of naturally-occurring contaminants in Wisconsin groundwater. The more common ones are: arsenic, radon, bacteria, parasites, viruses, iron, manganese, hydrogen sulfide, sulfate, chloride, barium, lead, zinc, copper, radium, uranium, and fluoride.

Some of these (radium, radon, bacteria, parasites, viruses, arsenic, uranium, and lead) pose a health risk if present a high levels. This list is not an all inclusive listing of possible contaminants.

State health officials have also identified a number of human-made contaminants that are showing up in the groundwater supplies. They are: nitrate nitrogen, atrazine, arsenic, benzene, toluene, alachlor, Trichloroethylene (TCE), bacteria, parasites and viruses, and chloroform All of these compounds are a health concern when present in concentrations above established health advisory levels

[Rusty Trichome]

Hi Rusty Trichome,Well water quality can vary from one well to the other. You are one of the lucky ones with a good well, with good water. How many ppm,s in your wellwater? Some have over 700ppm+ and that's a plant killer.

My wellwater comes out-of-the-ground at about 750 ppm's. No issues for the past 7 years.

Enzymes brake down organic matter so it's easier for the plant to absorb nutrients in the soil, "sugar" is organic so enzyme eat it up like other organic matter. here is part of sensyzym info:

"You see, if you were growing outdoors in the healthiest, most fertile soil, your plants' roots would be surrounded by billions of beneficial microbes that manufacture enzymes.

Lol...I was hoping someone would bring that up. I read the sensyzym label earlier this morning. Nothing but marketing hype and quazi-bullshit. Most peat-based potting soils (unless sterilized) have all the beneficials already. Proper watering and regular feedings keep them happy, healthy and horny. (they reproduce on their own, and do all those things Sensyzym claims to do) I love the claim of "Save money on root zone materials..." I already do...I don't buy the unnecessary crap like Sensyzym...Molasses is a great product that'll do just as much for ya, and without the marketing hype, the marketing costs, and the shipping.

Right there on the product description it says the "Scientists in these labs grow huge amounts of beneficial soil microbes (the kind that manufacture the enzymes your plants need), and then they ferment those microbes to get concentrated doses of enzymes." So they take the beneficials found in most soils, harvest and concentrate it, then sell it to you as a Miracle Product. The optimal quantity of microbes in your soil depends a lot on YOUR care and feeding of the plant. And if you are in need of replenishing the microbe population, perhaps you should look into your gardening techniques, or the other products you're using...because the product is most-often unnecessary.

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They are playing on your fears of it being an extremely important product. Which it is not. "Pre-digesting" organic material so the beneficials have an easier time of it. Seriously...? Were they not misleading their customers, I think it would be rather funny.

NOBODY has pure water, and plants don't do well in pure water anyway. You WILL have to replace what filtering takes out. If you want to get hyper-anal about water quality, that's ok, lol. But in most cases it's unnecessary. My wellwater (calcium/magnesium substrate...and old sea bed) comes out of the tap at 750 ppm's. Also, our aquafir runs right past the Mercury Test Site, (underground nuclear testing) but other than my fingernails glowing in the dark, no issues.

If you are ok with drinking your water, the plants should be fine as well. There is absolutely NO reason to over-complicate your life with unnecessary bullshit. If you need to filter it, you need to filter it. But if you find out you don't need the added hastle and expense of filtering or buying your water, why continue with it? Would pay you dividends were you to do a side-by-side of high-dollar water vs tapwater. See if you can spot the difference.

If you question the quality of your groundwater, check online for your local municipality's annual water quality report. It'll tell you more than you ever wanted to know about your groundwater.

[canadianhemperor]

I respect your opinion, but i have seen to much commercial growers block the stems of plants and experience plant wilth, with to much nutrients and bad water.Like I said it depends on what are the contaminants in the water. And I replace what filtering takes out with a well balanced feeding program. And yeah sometimes products can be very expensive for what they really are.I totaly agree with you on this one.

[Rusty Trichome]

Wilt? Wilt can be caused by a number of things from drout conditions, cold temps and stagnant water, to saturated soil, consistent high humidity and salinity issues.

Back in the old days it was widely parroted that water had to be filtered or purchased to get a quality result. But they also touted collected rain as better than tap. This sounds nice in concept, but rain is generally acidic with many, many industrial contaminates it absorbs traveling through the atmosphere. I'd rather use my wellwater.

If you don't mind purchasing an R/O and the future filters it'll take, or if you don't mind going to the store to heft cases of bottled water at $5.00 a pop, or if you don't mind spending extra dollars replacing the crap filtering takes out...then I wouldn't really bother checking if your water works just as well.

It can take an experienced eye, but watch for marketing hype and bullshit. It can lead you astray for years, and the costs build-up over time. Junk science is a great marketing tool though. Half-truths and misdirection. Nothing overtly damaging, but definately profit-driven. And if it screw's-up your plants, that's ok...they have an ammendment to fix what the first product caused... :wtf: