It's time to Occupy!

[Rusty Trichome]

Looking at the judgemental attitudes in this and the political forum, and the activist forum...I distinctly see your one-sided vision shining through. You and I both have equal rights to form and express opinions, but I use more than peer bias, race and class warfare and NBC hacks to form mine.

Whatever...the Wall Street party will never gain the momentum the Tea Party protests gained, since it lacks integrity and focus. Did you happen to notice the moderates are jumping the democratic support ship with each passing day?

The video...? Fairly plain to see what union money can accompolish. Nice unemployment line, lol.

The Tea Party protests took-up the entirety of the Mall, cleaned-up after themselves and no arrests...yet the movement took hold and will be THE major factor in the upcoming elections...The Wall Street partiers are neither focused nor are they in the majority with their attempts to villify the banks and corporations. Most of us Americans can see what's going on, and will laugh all the way to the polls...

However, with a little focus and a few more unemployed union members, perhaps they might stay in the news for another week or two.

Irrelevant and misguided. (misled)

[killerweed420]

The poor and middle class has been getting a bum deal for a lot of decades now. Mainly caused by the laws of capitalism. Its not that capitalism its bad, its just that it has to be regulated or we would all be slaves or unemployed.
The laws of capitalism.
Buy the raw materials as cheap as possible.
Spend as little on labor as possible and automate as quickly as possible to remove more jobs from the equation.
Move to a country that has the least taxes and least environmental regulations
Sell for the highest price possible.
There is no ethics or morals to capitalism. Its just strictly about money. Hence the need for government regulations to try and keep them honest.
The problem of course is that capitalism has slowly been released from regulations and the profits have been enormous. Those profits go to buy politicians who in turn hire CEO"S, CFO"S and other upper management people from the very companies they are supposed to be regulating so hence no regulation.
Its an easy fix except for trying to find people with ethics to run for political office to make the changes.
But thats dreaming. Austerity is in our future as the corporations continue with there huge profits and buy off congressmen so they don't have to pay taxes on those profits.
Then eventually the people that actually work for a living get riled up which is where we are today.
The next step is unknown. Anarchy? War? Brutal austerity? Probably some where inbetween. Next summer will probably be tell us what we're in for.

[RedLocks]

Looking at the judgemental attitudes in this and the political forum, and the activist forum...I distinctly see your one-sided vision shining through. You and I both have equal rights to form and express opinions, but I use more than peer bias, race and class warfare and NBC hacks to form mine.

Whatever...the Wall Street party will never gain the momentum the Tea Party protests gained, since it lacks integrity and focus. Did you happen to notice the moderates are jumping the democratic support ship with each passing day?

The video...? Fairly plain to see what union money can accompolish. Nice unemployment line, lol.

The Tea Party protests took-up the entirety of the Mall, cleaned-up after themselves and no arrests...yet the movement took hold and will be THE major factor in the upcoming elections...The Wall Street partiers are neither focused nor are they in the majority with their attempts to villify the banks and corporations. Most of us Americans can see what's going on, and will laugh all the way to the polls...

However, with a little focus and a few more unemployed union members, perhaps they might stay in the news for another week or two.

Irrelevant and misguided. (misled)

If you want to ridicule other people from different walks of life than your own and it makes you feel good about yourself.. good luck! Not sure what the majority of that post is about anyways or what it is supposed to relate to so not even going to bother with a reply, just wishing yuh well and all that jazz

[boaz]

of course, $3,000 in 1913 is about the same as $75,000 today because that dollar issued in 1913 is only worth 4 cents today.

wrong! I had to do the math but I had no idea how off I was. ^ this was some numbers I pulled out of . the air based on numbers from 2007. Have we had much inflation since then? Well ... according the wiki.answers.com, the price of one ounce of gold in 1912 was $20.67 US. This morning one ounce of gold is trading at around $1,650 US. so, according to my math .. :stoned: that $3,000 a year in income in 1913 would be about the same as $240,000 a year in todays US dollar currency. That would put you into the 1% bracket on the original 1913 federal income tax form, that is you would need to pay 1% in federal income taxes for every dollar over $240K per year. Every dollar you made over $40 Million in todays dollars, less allowed deductions, would be subject to additional surtax of around 5%.

Here is a compromise. We return to original 1913 tax bracket percentage so everyone making under $250K a year would pay no federal taxes at all, no payroll deductions and no forms to fill out or any of that bullshit. seems fair to me.

I am watching some of these protests and while I do support free speech and all that it is disheartening to hear some of the anti semetic comments about "zionists" and such. that is really uncalled for and sad to see. Zionism is a religous belief that many Christians share, too. It is probably just a few people but it makes everyone look bad that is there. its like you try to come together with all your brothers and sisters and some jokester has to show up and ruin it for everyone.

To me, protesting wall street in NY is kinda like protesting at a crack dealers house. What really needs to be done is to force Congress to end their addiction to printing money with their banker buddies.

Congressman Paul has some very interesting ideas on how to do this I am learning. I think he talks about competing currencies, etc. and I've heard others talk about "bit coins" that seems interesting to me. I guess if someone cashed in their pay check for gold as soon as they got it then one have there own personal gold standard but easier said than done.

[boaz]

... I guess if someone cashed in their pay check for gold as soon as they got it then one have there own personal gold standard but easier said than done.

thats not really correct either because your paid in US dollars so if gold is going up your payment in gold would effectively being going down each pay day, unless you were increasing your income each year. were screwed. f the banksters.. :rastasmoke:

[RedLocks]

Occupy Wall Street National Convention

[canadianhemperor]

The first dollar printed by the us banks had interest/debt stuck to it. So did the other billion of dollars printed after that. So basicly It's a scam from the beginning.Pyramid scheme! And the interest/dept money does not even go back to us government. It goes to independent bank/investors and the only way to make money is investing in that. So all presidents and politicians do it. And they are crooks and liars! Fake dept Since october 1929 fake us bank crash!!!!!

[RedLocks]

ohh forgot a link.. HOLY BAILOUT - Federal Reserve Now Backstopping $75 Trillion Of Bank Of America's Derivatives Trades - Home - The Daily Bail

[RedLocks]

grrr, boards pissing me off, did my effin 4 y/o configure this shit... lol trying to edit my last post because I realized I posted the wrong link on my earlier post...... Then the damn forum trying to add my edit into the previously posted URL. by the time I worked around it my edit window went byebye..

right link: Declaration of the Occupation of New York City | NYC General Assembly

[Rusty Trichome]

ohh forgot a link.. HOLY BAILOUT - Federal Reserve Now Backstopping $75 Trillion Of Bank Of America's DerivativesTrades - Home - The Daily Bail

And this is a surprise to you, after the last bailout shipped BILLIONS of taxpayer dollars overseas via AIG...? (Bank Stimulus Bill)

From a 2009 Politico article concerning the issue:
"Billions of American taxpayer dollars used to bailout insurance giant AIG are flowing to some of the largest foreign banks in the world, according to new documents released by beleaguered company Sunday.
The revelation seemed sure to cause political complications for President Barack Obama and his economic team, already on the defensive Sunday over why they couldn’t stop AIG from doling out $165 million in bonuses to some of its top corporate officials — even as the company was receiving a massive infusion of taxpayer funds..."
AIG ships billions in bailout abroad - Eamon Javers - POLITICO.com

Jobs. Look at the unemployment numbers and convince yourself Obama's interest is in bringing jobs to Americans. Look at his subversive behaviors in commerce and energy. There will be no sustained upward trend till closer to the elections when there will all of a sudden be another "jobs Growth" check in the taxpayers mailbox, funded by our future.

And how about blocking US companies from deap sea drilling in the Gulf, yet the Obama administration sends 2 Billion US taxpayer dollars to a Brazilian drilling company to drill in the Gulf at the same time? Way to keep the jobs here, Obama. Way to subvert the American people. Way to show your loyalty, patriotism and being true to the Constitution you swore to protect, as a condition of your employment.

More Chicago politics, more abuse to taxpayers, more ineptitude...

And how many protesting at Wall Street plan on protesting at the Federal Reserve and White House...? Or is it in fact the case, where those that make the laws (Dodd/Frank for instance) are immune, and those that break no laws are ridiculed and villified? Let me repeat...BROKE NO LAWS.

If blame is so important though, why is there only a one-sided campaign just against the very businesses that employ your neighbors, your friends, your relatives...? If the blame is so one sided as to not include the very people in office that are allowing (doubling-down on) these practices to go on, (Dodd/Frank?Federal Reserve...) then it is going to be awfully difficult to gain any credibility for "the cause". Too partisan and you lose the majority of support in the middle. Short-sightedness is most often a recipe for failure.