What the hell is going on?? Now here Come The Feds!

[DenverRelief]

I don't share your faith in AG Suthers. Only a few days ago, (sharing the stage with a DEA agent) he claimed the entire retail model was fraudulent, a complete joke and a failed experiment. You better watch out if state government changes hands and he gets taken off the leash.

Thanks for sharing. What was the event?

Sad to hear the man charged with upholding Colorado law finds it farcical. :wtf:

[HighPopalorum]

It was a debate on legalization at the Vail Symposium on August 17. Polis was arguing the other side.

Here are Suthers' opening remarks:

john suthers marijuana debate vail symposium 081711 - YouTube

[copobo]

Polis rocks.

[senorx12562]

Polis rocks.

Unfortunately, it is about the only issue upon which I agree with him, and I'm not a single issue voter.

[Purple Daddy]

I've said it before, and it's worth repeating, the regulations are a daily pain in my butt, yet the legitimacy offered by State law protects us and sets an example that hopefully other states will follow.
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Please don't kid yourself! They are going after print and TV advertising in CA now.

There really is no gray area here, just because CO has more stringent controls they are in voilation of federal law, you can't shut down one state and let the others continue to operate.

I believe they are going after CA first because the lack of oversight makes it easy pickings and sends a warning shot to the other states to either take action or the fed's will. I just saw someone posting about a new dispensary near the bay area, LOL, well that would be a very short lived operation.

People simply have ignored the warning signs over the past 8 months.

[HighPopalorum]

Polis is a good guy. In addition to drug policy liberalization, he's also been a strong opponent of the wars and a big supporter of gay equality, two other pet issues of mine. He would get my vote (again) if I still lived in his district.

[DenverRelief]

Please don't kid yourself! They are going after print and TV advertising in CA now.

There really is no gray area here, just because CO has more stringent controls they are in voilation of federal law, you can't shut down one state and let the others continue to operate.

I believe they are going after CA first because the lack of oversight makes it easy pickings and sends a warning shot to the other states to either take action or the fed's will. I just saw someone posting about a new dispensary near the bay area, LOL, well that would be a very short lived operation.

People simply have ignored the warning signs over the past 8 months.

The Feds aren't going into California sweeping every dispensary into the gutter.

They have selected "seedy", less scrupulous businesses that may be selling to minors or undercover officers have visited and seen weapons, etc.

Targeting media that advertise is another indication of limited Federal resources.

As to kidding myself, I'll admit to having a somewhat foolish optimism, but I am aware of the potential consequences.

I have been wondering what the catalyst was for this sudden change, and I have a strong sense that it is just presidential politics.

Obama will not lose California, not likely anyway, but he can appear tough on drugs and crime in swing states where MMJ isn't legal.

[Purple Daddy]

The Feds aren't going into California sweeping every dispensary into the gutter.

They have selected "seedy", less scrupulous businesses that may be selling to minors or undercover officers have visited and seen weapons, etc.
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Yeah, pretty much they are. Within 45 days most if not all shops will probably be closed, it is the "seedy" shops that brought unwanted attention to others. As of today TV stations have pulled advertising. I'm not sure anyone operating a dispensary right now is feeling any bit of security. Lawyers are looking at this and aren't offering much help.

They asked the guy at Harbor in Oakland what he was making and he refused to answer "it would be kind of like taunting the government".

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

I could be wrong but legaly I don't believe the feds can get ahold of the registry...and if they do we are all screwed.

oh, they can and will if they want. fed supercedes state. though i dont see them chasing the little guys unless they have a for rent sign on a prison for too long. cangroit is right though, its going to take a full on movement against our gov to change this crap. oppression should not be tolerated in this country or any other...period.

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

The dispensary "bandwagon" started out of need.... The need for people to have safe access to medical grade cannabis.... Not everyone can grow their own.... Some people wouldn't even know how to get a hold of med grade cannabis if dispensaries/distributers weren't around.... And since the only price guidelines that anyone had experienced from bomb ass indoor were the illegal street market prices, the dispensaries figured that because now they are operating in a legal manner (having to pay taxes and other overhead costs) they could justify asking the same price....

So had people only grown their own and dispensaries never existed, we'd have individual growers posting ads to supply other patients who cannot grow theirs....

This Drug War is a huge sham.... Just like speeding tickets or seat belt laws....they claim to be in place to protect us, for our safety, when in reality all it does is justify a traffic stop and traffic fine.... They pull you over and make you pay a fine because you might get into an accident or cause one and be injured....no no no their American citizen.... You can't ride in your car without a seatbelt.... Cause if you do, you MIGHT get hurt.... And since we don't want that, we are going to pull over every single car that has a passenger in it riding without a seatbelt fastened....and fine you.... Because we care about your safety....

Excuse me while I go toke a bowl to calm down....:jointsmile:....

CGI::::::

yeah you got that right and to top it all off we have billboards saying we are watching you and we KNOW the signs of impairment. yet drunk drivers are roaming every day killing innocent people. the bandwagon was started when obama said it wasnt a federal priority to seek out dispensaries and their growers as long as they were compliant at the state level. guess what it wouldnt have lasted anyway because his term is almost up. its sooner than i expected and i fear that colorado is next on the list. take your time your time to cool down but that might take quite a few years.