Am, going back to your comment about our rights not being violated.

I just thought of this so forgive the back track.

You say that our rights have not been violated, but you cannot disregard that statement in the Patriot act.

you said the only example i have is something that hasnt happen yet.

correct me if im wrong but didnt we invade Iraq on MY very same concept?

Just seems to me that if you beleive in a war that was based on something that didnt happen yet, that in itself gives basis to my claim that our rights have been violated.

Peace.