allwx I use the bubble brand of bags and have the 8 bag system with the washing machine.But even with the machine it is a lot of work. Then you are using ice and your hands tend to get real cold while you are straining you wash.I myself think that it is too much work to do it all the time.But you have to do something with your trim. Waste not want not. But MOB had that Idea if you like the rush you get with hash you can try doing oil. I have made some using 5x refined butane and made some good oil I think that it is basically the same as rick dose but a different extraction system.P.S. yea that stuff can taste nasty if you use all the layers.And I found it easier to freeze the water in plastic container then it is easy to push out and cut top layer off.