NOT LOOKING GOOD

[MadSativa]

I see the numbers rising in patients, however I still can not get a card. Yet I have 2 questionable relations to the things that are on the medical list now. I see no help in dispensaries movement, we still have delivery only, cannabis is still at times hard to get, and most of all we still have prejudice in the medical cannabis community.
We will not move anywhere like this they have effectively made it so we fight each other in beliefs and in physical demand. I have always said producers and dispensaries are only their to try new things and for the rich, if you want cheep medicine that is reliable and very good then you have to grow it your self.
This program has prejudice from patient to patient, one thinks they are sicker than the other there for they need more then the other, If logic would be heard one would see the more the merrier. We need people in the program that can produce, people that are educated in concentrates, in business and in the general knowledge of cannabis all together, not just medical. Remember it was not scientist and Dr's that founded this movement it was regular people like you and I.
You cant rely on Dr.s and politicians we are not making the decisions necessary to make this program grow and really help people, the way that it is it helps a few and all coming in are fighting to get help. this is self destructive.
I once heard things like we will not be corrupted like CA or CO states, but in fact it is our state that is corrupted not them, our good people are moving out of the state and some are simply smuggling from the others because of the way things are here. they are stagnant much like the government that rules the masses, it is criminal.
I never understood statements like in CA it is so bad they have so much yet the prices are still high, well that is not true at all. for years in CA when you join a new club they give free gifts, such as 1/8ths joints they give you free medicine! Also you don't have to buy the 75 dollar 1/8ths every where they have medicine for 40 a 1/8 and even lower, it has been this way a long time, and prices continue to go down. the very expensive stuff is the stains or concentrates that are extremely powerful or the ones that are very popular.

So for those of you in the program what happened? Why isn't their dispensaries you can walk into, why are their delivery fees, I see the 50$ cap so why are delivery fess on top of that? Where is the logic in this is it with the patient or with the government? The money made from the program goes where? Why are so many people getting approved yet state Dr's will not have anything to do with the program!
If you cant find answers then, you need to find leaders who can, and most of all leaders who can change things buy making results not statements that sounds pretty. it has been close to 4 years and we are nowhere. most would disagree but think of this the program started with a very few in need of medicine, now we have many in need of medicine. the program started with many going to the streets because of prices, and availability, the program is still with many going to the streets because of prices and availability.
The rules of the program are unjust and we have always know this, who ever said 6 ounces is enough for one person, and why is it special for one person to get more? these rules have no logic other than make them happy so they can shut up.
The cure is not in the plant matter but in the THC that it produces, 6 ounces is not even enough for one months of the cure. The cure is concentrates that are very pure and still no help in making concentrates, no raise in the amount a patient can have, 4 plants is ridiculous.
in order to grow 4 plants to produce 6 ounces a plant you would have to have them perpetually in motion and even then staying in the limit of 6 oz and have a good plant to produce medicine, is a skill that even the masters would have trouble with. Growing with restrictions is hard the limits have to go up to at least 2 pounds per patient so they can have ample amount to make concentrates and still have for next week or until next harvest.
The people in charge are playing you for fools, if the people in charge are not patients then the entire program, the system is junk, if they think 6 oz is enough then they are illogical, If they think 4 plants in bloom will produce then they need to make it so a tree can be grown, and a tree will produce 1 pound or more, not a oz here and their.
You guys need help and the state is keeping some people out even though we have qualifying conditions, so some of us see it first hand while most see oh yay I'm in. They are making a restrictive system out of this program, and are segregating some and others are put in limbo. I know people dying of Cancer, leukemia and they don't know what medical cannabis is, What the Fuck is that all about? Where are people that want this program to work? because their not stationed at the hospitals informing the people that need it, I'm not saying everyone pick up your shoes and get to the protest line I'm asking where are those that care that saw results, where are the stories of the healing, we had one man in this entire time come out and say it help his lesions from skin cancer and it help him greatly, this is one story in this entire time of this program, that is shameful I know their are more people out their benefiting, you don't even have to show your face or say your name just write a email to the press the Governor and the department of health. it could be the same letter sent to all at once.
When I was at the expos in other states, I had to illegally obtain a card in CO was impossibly by the way, but I know people that get things done. any way the point I was getting to, their expos had people smoking trying strains , talking to company's like Advanced Nutrients, Canna, Greenhouse seeds, DNA seeds, THSeeds, all out in the open. Here it was very different, I didn't need a card but everything was secretive, alot of let me talk with you here? what the hell the hell are all of you afraid of, i don't get it, you still act like criminals so in everyones eyes you are criminals. I am not even in this fucking Program and I go everywhere and state i am a cannabis smoker I don't use it I smoke it. If I were in the program I would go every where and tell people I am a medical cannabis grower! this rule of secrecy is stupid, secrecy is important but not to each other then its is segregation. I know its a long read but guys what is going on here, so many yet so lame, we are the corrupt system not CO and CA, it needs to be out in the open and in the stupid faces because at some point most logicals will see there really is a cure their and everyone is not a stupid pot head. just the idiots remain stupid

imp:imp:imp:

MadSativa Reviewed by MadSativa on 07-08-2011. NOT LOOKING GOOD I see the numbers rising in patients, however I still can not get a card. Yet I have 2 questionable relations to the things that are on the medical list now. I see no help in dispensaries movement, we still have delivery only, cannabis is still at times hard to get, and most of all we still have prejudice in the medical cannabis community. We will not move anywhere like this they have effectively made it so we fight each other in beliefs and in physical demand. I have always said Rating: 5

[Purple Daddy]

FWIW it is my belief that the efforts to repeal cannabis prohibition is going to fail sooner then later as the federal government is never going to decriminilize it and the states are all in violation of federal law, depending on who is the next president I wouldn't be surprised of the AG doesn't begin to sue these states for non compliance.

[ManOBuds]

Although I agree with some of the above posting,there are two errors I must point out.
There is a Producer in Albq. that does pick ups,so delivery is not the only option.
There has been no "expo" held here in NM yet,to my knowledge........so how did you find the "expo" here to be different?

[MadSativa]

how was it different? no vendors, no erb, no heads in the field of cannabis tech at all. It was held at the lujan building, I had to send someone to go for me because of other things I was out on, but I have video and specific questions I had my people ask and it was useless, any mention of cannabis was like saying bong in a head shop. Useless it is. but that changes nothing for the majority The show was supposed to be at least medical friendly but was a ghost town. and no you can not see my footage, it is worthless to post, bunch of idiots talking in the corners like crack heads. also if you have to pick it up how are they gonna give you samples or even talk about what stain will help you most, how are you gonna get that candy shop feeling? and yeah I just said candy shop feeling. I cant wait for someone to be like its medicine not candy lol, not looking good at all. I was planning a multi convention tour but no way it will make Nm look like a 3rd world country still listening to all the American bullshit.

[ManOBuds]

I know of no Expo except the 1ST Annual New Mexico Medical Marijuana Expo at the end of this month.Maybe that one was lame because they didn't advertise at all.

[alfonso2002]

I see the numbers rising in patients, however I still can not get a card. Yet I have 2 questionable relations to the things that are on the medical list now. I see no help in dispensaries movement, we still have delivery only, cannabis is still at times hard to get, and most of all we still have prejudice in the medical cannabis community.
We will not move anywhere like this they have effectively made it so we fight each other in beliefs and in physical demand. I have always said producers and dispensaries are only their to try new things and for the rich, if you want cheep medicine that is reliable and very good then you have to grow it your self.
This program has prejudice from patient to patient, one thinks they are sicker than the other there for they need more then the other, If logic would be heard one would see the more the merrier. We need people in the program that can produce, people that are educated in concentrates, in business and in the general knowledge of cannabis all together, not just medical. Remember it was not scientist and Dr's that founded this movement it was regular people like you and I.
You cant rely on Dr.s and politicians we are not making the decisions necessary to make this program grow and really help people, the way that it is it helps a few and all coming in are fighting to get help. this is self destructive.
I once heard things like we will not be corrupted like CA or CO states, but in fact it is our state that is corrupted not them, our good people are moving out of the state and some are simply smuggling from the others because of the way things are here. they are stagnant much like the government that rules the masses, it is criminal.
I never understood statements like in CA it is so bad they have so much yet the prices are still high, well that is not true at all. for years in CA when you join a new club they give free gifts, such as 1/8ths joints they give you free medicine! Also you don't have to buy the 75 dollar 1/8ths every where they have medicine for 40 a 1/8 and even lower, it has been this way a long time, and prices continue to go down. the very expensive stuff is the stains or concentrates that are extremely powerful or the ones that are very popular.

So for those of you in the program what happened? Why isn't their dispensaries you can walk into, why are their delivery fees, I see the 50$ cap so why are delivery fess on top of that? Where is the logic in this is it with the patient or with the government? The money made from the program goes where? Why are so many people getting approved yet state Dr's will not have anything to do with the program!
If you cant find answers then, you need to find leaders who can, and most of all leaders who can change things buy making results not statements that sounds pretty. it has been close to 4 years and we are nowhere. most would disagree but think of this the program started with a very few in need of medicine, now we have many in need of medicine. the program started with many going to the streets because of prices, and availability, the program is still with many going to the streets because of prices and availability.
The rules of the program are unjust and we have always know this, who ever said 6 ounces is enough for one person, and why is it special for one person to get more? these rules have no logic other than make them happy so they can shut up.
The cure is not in the plant matter but in the THC that it produces, 6 ounces is not even enough for one months of the cure. The cure is concentrates that are very pure and still no help in making concentrates, no raise in the amount a patient can have, 4 plants is ridiculous.
in order to grow 4 plants to produce 6 ounces a plant you would have to have them perpetually in motion and even then staying in the limit of 6 oz and have a good plant to produce medicine, is a skill that even the masters would have trouble with. Growing with restrictions is hard the limits have to go up to at least 2 pounds per patient so they can have ample amount to make concentrates and still have for next week or until next harvest.
The people in charge are playing you for fools, if the people in charge are not patients then the entire program, the system is junk, if they think 6 oz is enough then they are illogical, If they think 4 plants in bloom will produce then they need to make it so a tree can be grown, and a tree will produce 1 pound or more, not a oz here and their.
You guys need help and the state is keeping some people out even though we have qualifying conditions, so some of us see it first hand while most see oh yay I'm in. They are making a restrictive system out of this program, and are segregating some and others are put in limbo. I know people dying of Cancer, leukemia and they don't know what medical cannabis is, What the Fuck is that all about? Where are people that want this program to work? because their not stationed at the hospitals informing the people that need it, I'm not saying everyone pick up your shoes and get to the protest line I'm asking where are those that care that saw results, where are the stories of the healing, we had one man in this entire time come out and say it help his lesions from skin cancer and it help him greatly, this is one story in this entire time of this program, that is shameful I know their are more people out their benefiting, you don't even have to show your face or say your name just write a email to the press the Governor and the department of health. it could be the same letter sent to all at once.
When I was at the expos in other states, I had to illegally obtain a card in CO was impossibly by the way, but I know people that get things done. any way the point I was getting to, their expos had people smoking trying strains , talking to company's like Advanced Nutrients, Canna, Greenhouse seeds, DNA seeds, THSeeds, all out in the open. Here it was very different, I didn't need a card but everything was secretive, alot of let me talk with you here? what the hell the hell are all of you afraid of, i don't get it, you still act like criminals so in everyones eyes you are criminals. I am not even in this fucking Program and I go everywhere and state i am a cannabis smoker I don't use it I smoke it. If I were in the program I would go every where and tell people I am a medical cannabis grower! this rule of secrecy is stupid, secrecy is important but not to each other then its is segregation. I know its a long read but guys what is going on here, so many yet so lame, we are the corrupt system not CO and CA, it needs to be out in the open and in the stupid faces because at some point most logicals will see there really is a cure their and everyone is not a stupid pot head. just the idiots remain stupid

imp:imp:imp:

First off you are Mad Sativa! let me try and set a few things right. First you say there is no "dispensaries movement" your right and that is a good thing the states that the FEDS are comming down on are the ones with the dispensaries. So we are not in there cross hairs. You must be from the boon docks here in albuquerque there is a place that the producers have that you can go and pick up your meds. a few of them are located in the same office.As far as the delivery charges well that will change with a little more time. Then you say " if you want cheep medicine that is reliable and very good then you have to grow it your self." Well that is not an easy thing to do. You a lot of knowledge and work to get medical grade. It took me about 1 year to get the hang of things. Then there are the costs if you are going to grow indoors you need to have a lot of equipment to do it right. then you say " and most of all we still have prejudice in the medical cannabis community" I don't see that at all maybe I am in the dark about that but I do know quite a few people that are are in the program and have not seen that.You say " We need people in the program that can produce" well we have 25 producers now most are just harvesting there first crops.Then you say that it is hard to get meds. For the past 6 months I have had no problems finding what I need. and with25 producers on board that have a 150 plant limit I don't see a shortage for some time to come. we all want cheaper meds. but to be fair to the producers they have some heavy startup costs to get rolling so I can see what they are charging to be in line for now. In the future I do see the price to be comming down due to the supply and demand factor. One of the first producers in the program has the price of all there strains at 10.00 a gram. And guess what they sell out in a few days if not hours. Then you say"So for those of you in the program what happened?" If you are asking me The program has come a long way from 4 years ago. The DOH is still in a hole with no money to do a lot of things. but that is also changing the producers will have 10.000 renewal fees for there second year so that will help DOH and then there is the fees that a ppl patient will have to pay all that counts with no money things can't get done.now here is where we agree " If they think 4 plants in bloom will produce then they need to make it so a tree can be grown, and a tree will produce 1 pound or more, not a oz here and their. The program is not perfect by any means The plant count can be lived with but the limit on what you can have leaves a lot to be desired. 6oz. at any given time will not work If you do grow those trees with just one plant you will be over that limit.Outdoors is the cheapest way to grow but at the most you will havest 2 times in a year. So you have to be able to store for the winter and that 6 oz. will not do. I think at a min. they have to raise that limit to 2 lbs.Like you say if you want to make butter or concentrates you will need more than that.I think Rick say's he use's a pound of HIGH GRADE to make the cure."The people in charge are playing you for fools, if the people in charge are not patients then the entire program, the system is junk" again beg to differ.I'm sorry you are having a hard time getting approved to the program.But you have to have medical records to back you up on your condition. and if you do have them you will not have too hard of a time getting approved. You are on my freinds list so you can see my contact info.send me a message to see if I can help you out.And your right we do have a lot of work in getting the word out not the proaganda that we all see out there.And the last thing you say "I didn't need a card but everything was secretive, alot of let me talk with you here?" If I was a NPP I would not want just anyone to know where I was growing even with a PPL I don't want just anyone to know where I am growing. a few people do know but I have a big trust in them.There are a lot of bad people out there that if they knew there would be big trouble.So that is the the end on this post don't take me wrong not trying to put you down or anything like that so let's go medicate.

[ManOBuds]

Nice post,very well said.

[Purple Daddy]

I once heard things like we will not be corrupted like CA or CO states, but in fact it is our state that is corrupted not them, our good people are moving out of the state and some are simply smuggling from the others because of the way things are here. they are stagnant much like the government that rules the masses, it is criminal.
I never understood statements like in CA it is so bad they have so much yet the prices are still high, well that is not true at all. for years in CA when you join a new club they give free gifts, such as 1/8ths joints they give you free medicine! Also you don't have to buy the 75 dollar 1/8ths every where they have medicine for 40 a 1/8 and even lower, it has been this way a long time, and prices continue to go down. the very expensive stuff is the stains or concentrates that are extremely powerful or the ones that are very popular.<,,,,,,<<<

$40 an 8th is highway robbery when the clubs are paying about $10-$12 per 8th. Wholesale prices are lower then they have ever been but retail prices are getting close to 1990 levels(when 8ths peaked at $65).

Free gifts? The only free gift I got was a lollipop! BFD, even a free 8th doesn't mean much when you're already grossly over paying.

IMO from what I'm reading and my gut feeling is that the Fed's will start cracking down on states no enforcing federal laws, my guess is it will start with the AG suing each state individually to force them to enforce federal laws. Currently in CA an oz or less has been decriminilized as long as it's not in 280 seperate baggies!

[alfonso2002]

[quote=Purple Daddy]I once heard things like we will not be corrupted like CA or CO states, but in fact it is our state that is corrupted not them, our good people are moving out of the state and some are simply smuggling from the others because of the way things are here. they are stagnant much like the government that rules the masses, it is criminal.
I never understood statements like in CA it is so bad they have so much yet the prices are still high, well that is not true at all. for years in CA when you join a new club they give free gifts, such as 1/8ths joints they give you free medicine! Also you don't have to buy the 75 dollar 1/8ths every where they have medicine for 40 a 1/8 and even lower, it has been this way a long time, and prices continue to go down. the very expensive stuff is the stains or concentrates that are extremely powerful or the ones that are very popular.<,,,,,,<<<

$40 an 8th is highway robbery when the clubs are paying about $10-$12 per 8th. Wholesale prices are lower then they have ever been but retail prices are getting close to 1990 levels(when 8ths peaked at $65).

Free gifts? The only free gift I got was a lollipop! BFD, even a free 8th doesn't mean much when you're already grossly over paying.

IMO from what I'm reading and my gut feeling is that the Fed's will start cracking down on states no enforcing federal laws, my guess is it will start with the AG suing each state individually to force them to enforce federal laws. Currently in CA an oz or less has been decriminilized as long as it's not in 280 seperate baggies![/QUOTE

Hi Purple Daddy can you explain a little more " but in fact it is our state that is corrupted not them". And you say that in Ca. that you just walk into dispensarie and they hand you over an 1/8th and they give you free medicine I think not. As far as I know the wholesale prices that the dispensaries are paying has dropped but the retail prices have not changed much.then you say " The only free gift I got was a lollipop". Was it a medicated one ? Most of the producers are on there first run And as I said on another post the startup costs for them are big. Then you say " Wholesale prices are lower then they have ever been but retail prices are getting close to 1990 levels(when 8ths peaked at $65)." I assume you are talking about Ca. You also say they have medicine for 40 a 1/8 and even lower. Most of the producers here also have a lower price for there trim and small buds so you can get your meds at a lower price but remember most of the time you get what you pay for.