Thanks for the help man. I didnt go with pre ferted, I went with earthgro..... Its cheap, drains really good, and seems to be workin good. I hit em with some super diluted mg blue, cuz its got high N, and everywhere says N is good for veg, so........ They seem to be doin good, so far. Im gonna check out youroutdoor grows, see if I cant pick up a few things