Every person I've known that has gotten mites all went the same route. First they tried non-harsh or organic methods like Pyrethrum, Neem Oil, spraying off the plants daily, predators, etc etc etc. And every one ended up using Floramite or Avid because all that other shit doesnt work, unfortunately it takes them many months and lost product to figure it out. Yes all that stuff will kill mites, but they do not kill the eggs, and since they reproduce at such a fast rate there lies the problem. You can kill off every mite you have but most of those mites have left eggs behind and they will all hatch at different rates. Miss one mite and the whole problem starts again and you're back at square one. I don't think anyone likes using Avid but everyone I know that has used it did it because they ran out of options. One or two applications and they are gone for good.