Thanx for the info Karmaxu just wanted to answer a few questions I don\'t have an ozone generator, when it comes to the nutes I have been using them very little (because i thought this was a salt build up) but I have plants in different stages of growth and I havn\'et gave any nutes to the smaller ones in fear of killing them. Almost all of the plants are showing the same signs of a problem some just to a lesser degree. The only thing I can figure is the problem is one of two things that all of them are getting. That would be my hard ass water or the air, I actually went and got some gals of spring water so I am gonna start using only good water and see how it goes. As far as my temp goes how much bacteria can thrive in those temps its alwayz about 70 at least can get to 80, I ask cuz I got some benifical bacterias and fungi products for the roots and overall plant health will they survive even though I run my temps a lilltle low. I am gona try running the spring water for a while to see if that helps because the water here is high in calcium and mag so much so that using a dishwasher is pointless. The tips of my plant don\'t look burnt because there green still the edges are turned up and they kinda look wrinkly I\'ll get some pic\'s up today thanx for the reply also since i don\'t have an ozone generator what should i do, how important is it to get one.