I wouldn't want to be a dispensary or Co-Op with over 100 plants right now...

[DankDragon]

Count your blessings David.
From personal experience....just about a week ago, I got a call inviting me to drop by since I hadnt been around for a while.
They told me they missed my top shelf meds.
So I paid them a visit with a couple of ounces thinking that they would donate the usual amount.
They know that I needed 250 to cover my costs and time.
After going upstairs and dropping my quality meds on their table, I watched as the owners dived in with glee and claiming it was all for them and they were not going to sell any to patients.
I was blown away by that comment, but it was just the first thing to amaze me that night.
After smoking some of my stash with them, they continued to fill bowls out of the ounces I just dropped off.
So I figured they decided to take my meds.
This is where it gets interesting. They offered me 200 bucks knowing that I would never take that.But since they had already dipped their paws into the product, I figured it was bought and a price just had to be agreed on.
Well, as they walked me downstairs, I thought they were going for the cash, but instead they showed me the door.
As I stood in their doorway, I was told that I would be paid in a couple of days and the price was the one they had decided on without no choice from me. I couldnt get my meds back since I was now outside, so I went home hoping for the best.
Its now going on two weeks now and not even a call.

Before I go further, to add insult to injury, as I was sharing a bowl with the two owners upstairs earlier, they were much too happy to show me a pound of out door Oregon they had just picked up for 1600 bucks. It was keifed and they knew it but they were just happy with their profit margin is all I could get out of the conversation.

I feel the local farmers in this state need to start some sort of union, or atleast some sort of protection should be abided to us by the state before situations like these get out of hand.
If I wasnt as level headed as I am and know that pot is not worth bodily harm, it could have gotten ugly...as Im sure it will in the future someday when they do this to the wrong hot head....

If I do not get paid very soon, I am going to publicly release names and situations to the public and others that need to know.

I dont believe the states intent is to create unlawful and unfair business exchanges between parties.
Courts could get messy........and so can the streets.



~Lem

Brother, brother, brother. If any ONE person can say that, you are anything other than one of the nicest people around here,

I CHALLENGE THAT OPINION PERSONALLY!!!

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You have my number. Call me when you go back for your money. I will be there to offer "moral" support.

[hiamps]

Seems to me they are trying to Create Criminals...It just isn't their little fairytail world.

[david98686]

My 'personal' worry is that we won't have any doctors (cheap ones)willing to sign our medical recommendations
if they pass SSB 5073 so there won't be any patients. I'm fine with the rest of the bill in the house now..

[david98686]

I can't find an edit button.. The law will require a 'relationship' with the doctor who writes our authorizations.
I'll bet that will cost us, what, $500 per year to maintain?

[ZionsLion]

Lem:

We had this discussion many years ago on THCF, and I'll point it out again... By COMMUNITY standards $250 is AT BEST a fair RETAIL price.... I'm not sure that you have a legitimate complaint about them wanting good meds for headstash @ $250 an ounce.

I thoroughly sympathize with the disrespectful way that you were treated, but from an outside perspective, it seems that if you didn't like the arrangement, you wouldn't have left the premises... If someone stole from me (locked my meds in an upstairs room and said they'd pay me what they wanted when they wanted) they would have never gotten me out of their door...

I like the Farmer's Markets because they provide a community regulated environment... Ask the douch charging $15/g how much business he does... Then ask the guys with ounces of AAA's for $200-$250... However, there are parts of the FM's that prevent me from wanting to participate in any way other than as a fun place to socialize on a Sunday. Not comfortable with the media element.

Long story short, Cannabis is a living entity, not a whore. Anyone who treats her as anything but a goddess of knowledge and healing; to be respected instead of profited from, is sure to do some suffering... Sometimes suffering is useful. :hippy:

[david98686]

Hi ZionsLion, I'd been wondering how you were doing..
One thing I have learned in these years is that it cost a LOT more to grow a high quality, low producing, 14 week Sativa
than an 8 or 9 week heavy flowering Indica hybrid. I'm just saying I can see how all medication, great or poor, can't all be the same price.
Nothing to do with dispensaries or anything.

[killerweed420]

All this is just capitalism working in the cannabis market. The market will set the prices. As buyers become more informed on how to rate quality the quality stuff will rise in price and the dirtweed will be dirt cheap. Any time the government gets involved thats going to alter the free market value of commodities by putting regulations controlling certain aspects of the market. The new bill is not going to help the free market. It will result in higher prices for all. If the intiative passes for the first time in the last 100 years we will have a free market place for cannabis for 2 years with no government intrusion other than having to wet nurse the feds. It will be an interesting experiment to see what happens to the cannabis market.

[ZionsLion]

Hey David,
Yes friend, it has been a long time. Kari fell off the face of the earth and took her board with her... From a local Ferrier friend that we share... "Last I heard, she was doing well. That girl's a strange one, but he animals were happy and healthy"

I TOTALLY agree with your statement. Sativas ARE worth more, because they take more time to grow. I was making a blanket statement that might have come across wrong...

At the markets, one can find all types of vendors with all types of motivations. The vendors that I chose to go with have a LOT of 8-10/g herb and a little bit of 12-15/g herb. In fact, 15 is still offensive!

Can someone tell me if ANY cannabis is worth $6825 per pound? That's $15/g If you got a hp PER month, that's still $3400... I call shenanigans.... Greedy shenanigans at that! Power is at most $200. (For the grow, not one's entire house) $20 for a bag of soil. Let's be generous and say $80 worth of nutrients.... Hmmmm a HP costs $300 to produce and it's "compassionate care" to sell it for 10times that....

Killer, I beg to differ. There will always be people who believe that this is a truly sacred plant, and as such will care more about actually helping those in need than making a buck. Ounces of the best of the best should be $250. Anything less than superior quality shouldn't even be sold. I've gotten sick from herb with mold and disease more times than I can count, it's offensive!

I hope the current bill dies, but if it doesn't, you can bet that the only true "compassionate care" will come from 10 person collectives!

[Purple Daddy]

Interesting read here! I'm from CA and a club will not give you more then $100 per oz. no matter how good your medications are, they will pretty much treat you like you're in a pawn shop and act like it's dirt week they will be lucky to make money off of. That same medication they bought for $100 an oz. will be marked up 200-300% depending on how it's broken down and sold.

Basic wholesale if you bought a q/p from a grower(not a shop/store front) is $400-$650, there are some who will hold out and try to get $700+ but I doubt they are getting that. I've seen decent med's for as low as $600 a HP. There are many factors that go into various pricing, some growers don't smoke and want to cash in so they pre-sell their crops and I know of one guy who sold by the plant, you show up and buy the plant still in the ground and take it home and do all the trim work yourself. He had so much that he just gave my buddy a plant sitting in the garage that had gotten all dried up.

IMO you should not pay more then $200 an oz. for top shelf med's. If you can network with other patients then try to work with a grower to get it at QP wholesale prices and split the cost with other patients. THIS is really the spirit of compassionate use laws.

I honestly believe the walls will come tumbling down on most cannabis clubs and probably by next year. There is so much ambiguity and some states are already starting to crack down. A string of clubs opened up in Las Vegas but the state stepped in to clarify that their compassionate use law was clearly defined to be used by patients to grow and posess their own med's and I can't imagine it would preclude one patient from giving another patient their meds. I believe that most states that have similar laws written with the same intent, I don't believe for a second that any state law intended or even allows for store fronts to be selling. What has happened in CA is a major conflict of state/local and federal laws as they are written and defined. Many communities are putting zoning restrictions which in some case make it nearly impossible to open up shop while other communities seem to have embraced clubs such as Los Angeles, Sacramento and Oakland.

I gave a lady friend some lights, as I was bringing them into her apartment some tweaker bitch a few doors down saw me and started talking all kinds of crazy shit, whatever, 10 minutes later the Sheriff shows up with a report of suspicious activity. She shows him her ID, shows him her Dr. recommendation then takes him to her grow room, he asked a few generic questions and as he was leaving just told me to "have a good evening", mind you we were medicating when he knocked on the door so you can imagine the smell. He didn't even ask who I was or anything. The state of CA has decriminilized the posession of an oz. or less, it's equivelant to a parking ticket(as long as it isn't packaged to sell) so no more court dates, garbage duty, counseling, criminal record etc. DUI is still treated no differently though. Basically in CA you aren't going to get harassed by any local LE unless you're being really STUPID! My advice is however you procure your med's is your business but once you do please leave it and consume it at home or at the campsite or wherever you may be vacationing.

[david98686]

Great thread guys, whatever happens I'm glad everyone is seeing the reality of things!