Thanks for the reply all. I'm still waiting on some clones from a friend so I can test these out. I did have an hps set but sold it with the tent as I have space limitations. I hope to get some decent results from them but like I said this is just something I'm interested in messing around with to see what happens with them. Its weird you say that HTG Supply is crap stuff since I have had very good results with the stuff they sell. Thanks for the replies anyhow. I will update when I have my clones