And here it is...HB11-1261 - the THC Level DUI Bill

[Zedleppelin]

I would rather have someone in there NOT interested in MMJ legislation at all. This is a pretty major fuck up. It is going to ruin lives. The lives of good people.

She is presenting lies as truth. I think that's unforgivable.

She should kill the bill and stick to patient rights if she has any interest in MMJ.

Couldn't agree more.

[senorx12562]

I simply do not understand why the law as it stands now is insufficient to protect people from impaired drivers, at least insofar as any law can do so. Exactly what additional danger is posed now that wasn't posed before to justify a change in the law? If, in a given instance, the state cannot prove that a driver was impaired without a presumption to that effect, that driver obviously wasn't very impaired, were they? This is just another case of law and order authoritarianism versus liberty, which proponents of the former hate with all their being. Prima facie evidence of impaired driving should be EVIDENCE OF HOW THE DEFENDANT WAS DRIVING. Duh.

[HighPopalorum]

I would rather have someone in there NOT interested in MMJ legislation at all. This is a pretty major fuck up. It is going to ruin lives. The lives of good people.

She is presenting lies as truth. I think that's unforgivable.

She should kill the bill and stick to patient rights if she has any interest in MMJ.

Five months ago you were singing her praises, starting threads urging us to vote for her, but now she's an unforgivable life-destroying menace? You can't tell friend from foe, Copobo, but your mercurial temperament livens up the place.

[quetzal]

Five months ago you were singing her praises, starting threads urging us to vote for her, but now she's an unforgivable life-destroying menace? You can't tell friend from foe, Copobo, but your mercurial temperament livens up the place.

Come on. You know that its a red herring whether or not copobo supported her before or not. It has no bearing on whether or not he judges her actions now to be good. A policitian can lose supporters for any number of reasons: she's making a genuine mistake, she genuiningly believes this bill to be beneficial to her constituants and supporters, perhaps she is showing her true colors now and was never to be trusted? Whatever the case may be, I feel that your opinion on a bill that could negatively effect the lives of MMJ patients is too strongly influenced by your personal lack of concern for the issue, because as you've stated you don't mind restricting yourself to a no-driving policy on days that you smoke--an impractical rule for many patients.

This argument boils down to a single issue for me at this point. Setting a (what many consider to be low) limit disproportionately benefits law enforcement over citizens, because the citizens in this case have no real, practical means for judging their THC limit before leaving the house! Most patients can judge their impairment level in order to drive, which currently works decently. But with a limit in place, it doesn't matter if you can drive well or not--all that matters is the damn number which no patient has the means to personally test for before driving. Unless you want to send them to a police station or hospital to test themselves everytime they want to go to the store. Or perhaps patients should be required to purchase home blood test kits or have nurses on standby in their homes?

The limit, the number, without regard for practical impairment level, only benefits law enforcement in the form of a political and financial campaign.

[copobo]

yea, you're trolling hipop.

my opinion of a particular politician can most certainly change. pushing patients into the DUI money machine is evil.

she seems to have bought a lie and doesn't want to admit she's mistaken. people are going to be being pulled over for out headlights and end up getting stuck with a needle and tested. just wait.

[Zedleppelin]

yea, you're trolling hipop.

my opinion of a particular politician can most certainly change. pushing patients into the DUI money machine is evil.

she seems to have bought a lie and doesn't want to admit she's mistaken. people are going to be being pulled over for out headlights and end up getting stuck with a needle and tested. just wait.

Thats what I see happening. Cops will pull people over and if their hair is to long, or if their eyes are red from hay fever, or if the cop simply wants to harass and make the dubious smell claim they will haul your ass to the hospital to stick a needle in your arm. And guess what happens to your car? They will tow it and you will have to pay the tow and impound fees, not to mention its a free pass to search the vehicle. I bet the cops are foaming at the mouth waiting for this to pass.

[HighPopalorum]

Everyone changes their mind. After all, when circumstances change it's the prudent choice! However, we shouldn't vote out every pot-friendly politician with whom we have any disagreement. We'll be left with no one! Claire is right on a preponderance of issues that relate to marijuana and her background gives her a good grasp of the technical details of land use, permitting and planning as they relate to centers and growing operations. I really don't give a hoot about Levy's retention- my Boulder days are in the past- but I think it would be a a net negative to lose her contributions, not only w/r/t pot but to broader civil liberty issues. She's very liberal on all the issues so there are innumerable reasons why a person might not vote for her, but she has been receptive to retail medical marijuana, and also to lowering and removing penalties for recreational smokers. Replace her if you like, but it's a virtual certainty that we'll find more bones to pick with her successor than with Levy.

[TheReleafCenter]

This law could actually do a lot of good. It gives you a level that you can be exonerated at. Currently, any MMJ in your system is a DUID if you're driving impaired. I think the level is too low, but that's where we're starting.

[porone]

This law could actually do a lot of good. It gives you a level that you can be exonerated at. Currently, any MMJ in your system is a DUID if you're driving impaired. I think the level is too low, but that's where we're starting.

Ummm No!We already have laws against driving while impaired.It alows cops to charge you without any other evidence no matter where the limit is set.

[TheReleafCenter]

Ummm No!We already have laws against driving while impaired.It alows cops to charge you without any other evidence no matter where the limit is set.

And those laws currently say any MMJ use is impairment. Same goes for any amount of say... ambien. Anything that is a drug that affects how you drive is illegal currently. This bill would allow you some D9 THC in your system while you drive. Current law doesn't.

It also doesn't allow cops to charge you, you still have to show signs of impairment. The per se portion is written awkwardly and will be cleaned up as this continues to move through the legislature. Levy wants it to be a DUI per se (where simply hitting 5ng is a DUI, no evidence can help) but that has no support.