Poll: busted?

[bkbbudz]

Please don't jack my post! LOL! I am seriously interested in people's opinions here. Not the quality of the beer in Canada. JK

I do agree with BWD on the Flir thing though for a couple of other reason's to. This technology is not getting used on a local gov't level by Deputy Don looking for a small time 2 plant grow. Certainly the feds MAY be using it looking for huge grow ops, if there are warrants, reasonable suspicion, and EVIDENCE in place I am sure. Flir can see a lot of other things that are not illegal but are very private (violation of privacy law). I highly doubt they are gonna spend the time, manpower, and money on a personal use grower. They could never justify it. And of course the point is NO ONE BUT GOD AND BKBBUDZ WILL EVER KNOW. So for them to find me using flir they would have had to have just accidently stumbled over my 2 little plants on a random area survellience. Lottery winning odds my friend. Of course it COULD happen, it is POSSIBLE, but IMHO VERY unlikely.

But hey just in case I will surround my tent with other leafy foliage to blend in for FLIR purposes. Thanks for the warning!

[BackWoodDrifter]

Please don't jack my post! LOL! I am seriously interested in people's opinions here. Not the quality of the beer in Canada. JK

I do agree with BWD on the Flir thing though for a couple of other reason's to. This technology is not getting used on a local gov't level by Deputy Don looking for a small time 2 plant grow. Certainly the feds MAY be using it looking for huge grow ops, if there are warrants, reasonable suspicion, and EVIDENCE in place I am sure. Flir can see a lot of other things that are not illegal but are very private (violation of privacy law). I highly doubt they are gonna spend the time, manpower, and money on a personal use grower. They could never justify it. And of course the point is NO ONE BUT GOD AND BKBBUDZ WILL EVER KNOW. So for them to find me using flir they would have had to have just accidently stumbled over my 2 little plants on a random area survellience. Lottery winning odds my friend. Of course it COULD happen, it is POSSIBLE, but IMHO VERY unlikely.

But hey just in case I will surround my tent with other leafy foliage to blend in for FLIR purposes. Thanks for the warning!

Yual do alright pilgrem yual got yur butt covered be quiet and live without worry.

Good Luck and share from time to time.

BWD

[gypski]

Beam me up.....

[YOUTUBE]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0bhXrmbMJQ[/YOUTUBE]

If your gonna grow it can get spooky!!! :S2:

[emilya]

What do you think the REAL chances are of a personal use farmer with 4 plants or less using LED and CFL to cut down on the infrared signature are these days? I am of the opinion that unless I tell anyone other than God about my garden, the chance of the police getting involved are like those of winning mega millions lottery. What do you think?

The thing I have heard is that for every person you tell, you increase the odds that you will get caught by 20%. Tell 5 people, and it is a near certainty that you will get busted. So, tell no one.

Here is what I have done for security. There is a war on drugs you know, and they seem to think that MJ is a dangerous drug... so if you are stupid and want to get caught, they will oblige you.

First, FLIR is not magic and as said it is very expensive to use. I have an indoor personal grow with no direct venting to the outside. My grow is inside a foil lined canvas tent, inside of the house. The only heat sources are a space heater and 8 florescent bulbs, which don't throw out enough heat to be noticeable. I am not worried about them "spotting" me. I have invested in my operation with proper air scrubbing equipment too. My grandmother can visit, and still have no idea what is going on in the spare bedroom, even with her incredible nose.

Any purchases having to do with this have been on pre-paid credit cards and the shipments went to a relative who could warn me if anyone came looking for information.

My biggest worry is the internet. Here I have protected myself with a dummy email account, running into another dummy account set up years ago with a friend's information, who again would warn me if there were any inquiries. Anytime I am on the forum or search for things to do with my hobby, I use TOR Download Tor to change my IP address. I am not an activist (until I go somewhere that allows me to do this legally) nor do I post my picture or my real information anywhere.

Also, learn your rights. You do not have to submit to a search without a warrant and you never have to allow an officer to come into your home just because they ask. Don't be stupid.

Just use your head if you are not in a situation where it is legal, and keep it small. If you must go big time, for pity sake, don't live where you grow and hide all trails that might lead back to you. A friend of mine in Florida used to find homeless people to take in that would unwittingly put their names on houses, cars, boats etc. before they moved on to do that thing that street people do so well, disappear. The authorities rely on criminals being stupid. The smart ones rarely get caught unless they make a mistake.

Emmie

[boaz]

this may be off topic but I had my first indoor garden when I was living in on the top floor of the apartment building in west l.a. right about the time they started budding I kept hearing choppers outside my window, one night like RIGHT outside my window. I held tuff, tho, and didn't panic. I knew it was just a coincident but still was tripping me out a bit. :stoned: :jointsmile:

oh, yeah this was years before prop 215, btw.

[jamessr]

So I just looked at the actual FLIR documents from the dept. of defense.. that I have. Courtesy FOIA.

So my point of pointing this out was to just let peeps know that they do have the equipment to find just 1 plant.

And some of these FLIR accounts, are not from any aircraft.. they was hand held from outside the homes fishing... the reports state this..:jawdropper::wtf4:

[bkbbudz]

The thing I have heard is that for every person you tell, you increase the odds that you will get caught by 20%. Tell 5 people, and it is a near certainty that you will get busted. So, tell no one.

Here is what I have done for security. There is a war on drugs you know, and they seem to think that MJ is a dangerous drug... so if you are stupid and want to get caught, they will oblige you.

First, FLIR is not magic and as said it is very expensive to use. I have an indoor personal grow with no direct venting to the outside. My grow is inside a foil lined canvas tent, inside of the house. The only heat sources are a space heater and 8 florescent bulbs, which don't throw out enough heat to be noticeable. I am not worried about them "spotting" me. I have invested in my operation with proper air scrubbing equipment too. My grandmother can visit, and still have no idea what is going on in the spare bedroom, even with her incredible nose.

Any purchases having to do with this have been on pre-paid credit cards and the shipments went to a relative who could warn me if anyone came looking for information.

My biggest worry is the internet. Here I have protected myself with a dummy email account, running into another dummy account set up years ago with a friend's information, who again would warn me if there were any inquiries. Anytime I am on the forum or search for things to do with my hobby, I use TOR Download Tor to change my IP address. I am not an activist (until I go somewhere that allows me to do this legally) nor do I post my picture or my real information anywhere.

Also, learn your rights. You do not have to submit to a search without a warrant and you never have to allow an officer to come into your home just because they ask. Don't be stupid.

Just use your head if you are not in a situation where it is legal, and keep it small. If you must go big time, for pity sake, don't live where you grow and hide all trails that might lead back to you. A friend of mine in Florida used to find homeless people to take in that would unwittingly put their names on houses, cars, boats etc. before they moved on to do that thing that street people do so well, disappear. The authorities rely on criminals being stupid. The smart ones rarely get caught unless they make a mistake.

Emmie

Thanks Emilya! I just finished downloading TOR and Firefox. I had not thought about my IP address when posting on this forum. I guess complacency, or cockiness, or stupidity take your pic. Either way score another winner for you! :thumbsup:

[bkbbudz]

So I just looked at the actual FLIR documents from the dept. of defense.. that I have. Courtesy FOIA.

So my point of pointing this out was to just let peeps know that they do have the equipment to find just 1 plant.

And some of these FLIR accounts, are not from any aircraft.. they was hand held from outside the homes fishing... the reports state this..:jawdropper::wtf4:

I appreciate the info, and I don't doubt what you are saying is accurate. I just don't think the authorities are going door to door and looking in every home, on every street looking for 1 or 2 pot plants. Also FLIR can see individual items and such but it does not have a cannabis targeting ability. So someone using it would have to sit in front of each individual home and identify all possible items of suspicion. This could not be and would not be done in a uniform, every home checked basis. Certainly not on the local level. And the DEA with it's approx. 20,000 employees, most of which are support staff are not going to individually FLIR the homes of 300,000,000 Americans. They may go to these lengths, on an individual basis, if someone were suspected of running a commercial enterprise, or if someone gives them evidence to create a reasonable suspicion that cultivation is taking place on any level. So Unless, I decide to call 911 and ask how much trouble I am gonna get in, if I get caught (what a moron that guy is huh?) my original opinion of lottery odds still holds.

[BackWoodDrifter]

I appreciate the info, and I don't doubt what you are saying is accurate. I just don't think the authorities are going door to door and looking in every home, on every street looking for 1 or 2 pot plants. Also FLIR can see individual items and such but it does not have a cannabis targeting ability. So someone using it would have to sit in front of each individual home and identify all possible items of suspicion. This could not be and would not be done in a uniform, every home checked basis. Certainly not on the local level. And the DEA with it's approx. 20,000 employees, most of which are support staff are not going to individually FLIR the homes of 300,000,000 Americans. They may go to these lengths, on an individual basis, if someone were suspected of running a commercial enterprise, or if someone gives them evidence to create a reasonable suspicion that cultivation is taking place on any level. So Unless, I decide to call 911 and ask how much trouble I am gonna get in, if I get caught (what a moron that guy is huh?) my original opinion of lottery odds still holds.

Were they are goin to check is were folks be pointin a finger at plain an simple. ifin yu tell not a single sole and dont draw any attention to what yu do cause it just yu and yu couple plants just for yu to use there be no one to point in yur direction to draw leos attention. it all starts with someone sayin to leo hey they get alot of weird traffic all hours of the night at that place or hey leo friend of mine said they heard this person grows MJ this is what starts the ball rollin for the slight investigations that if warrented on the information get escilated to the eventual capture. Say nothin dont draw attention grow on and be normal and happy

Much Luck pilgrem be safe and have fun

BWD

[jimburke]

chances of getting busted, slim to none. flir reads heat(ir) not plants.in doors use mylar, good insulation and a dryer vent or chimney.the heat signature of two 1000k lights would look like a glowing blob. next they will probably check light bill. they are after the cost effective busts.something they can get press and funding, not wasting tax money chasing cancer patients,or small timers.remember with flir you have distance,a moving object and vague resolution.(blurry image)plus conflicting heat sourses. i'm x military intel photographer.u.s.n. most people get busted for something stupid ie; x girlfriend, smoking joint at red light,landlord etc. so keep low and quiet and good luck.
jim b