Is this n deficiency or just need feeding ?? NEED YOUR HELP PLZ!!!

[budbudding]

Hi ,

Could this be N deficiency? Or maybee just needs feeding ?,
my plants are 3weeks old today from cutting's , I planted into plagron growmix with perlite which is meant to keep plants feed for 3 to 4 weeks ,.
My plants have been drooping every day towards the end of the light session and then after 6 hours of night they are up and ready to go !!(i presume they are resting , as im a noob i dnt really know only from what i have read),. But today i put the light on and they havnt recoverd , the leaves seemed to have clawed and drooped like claws and the leaves have gone a really light green. I have also noticed that one leaf has got white dots and another has got yellow dots about 3-5 right next to each other???
I took one out of a pot to check the roots they seem ok , a little dark but mostly white once again im no expert so i will post pics and let you be the judge of that one! soil looks wet , plants was watered 2 days ago ,..These plants are 22" in hi

Any help would be Great thankyou

budbudding Reviewed by budbudding on 02-10-2011. Is this n deficiency or just need feeding ?? NEED YOUR HELP PLZ!!! Hi , Could this be N deficiency? Or maybee just needs feeding ?, my plants are 3weeks old today from cutting's , I planted into plagron growmix with perlite which is meant to keep plants feed for 3 to 4 weeks ,. My plants have been drooping every day towards the end of the light session and then after 6 hours of night they are up and ready to go !!(i presume they are resting , as im a noob i dnt really know only from what i have read),. But today i put the light on and they Rating: 5

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[Rusty Trichome]

You'll need to find a way to check water ph, and adjust it if necessary. "The claw" and the yellowing are a sign of ph being too low. Check online for you local 'Water Quality Report' and see what the average ph is for your local tapwater. This is at least a good starting point.

But most likely the buffers in your soil have been depleted. What is that...a 2 gallon pot? If so, I'd transplant to at least a 3 gallon pot, and prepare for switching to 12/12 soon. The fresh soil should provide enough buffering to take 'em to harvest. Do not let the roots dry-out when taking glamor shots of the rootball.

What kind lighting are you using? (CFL's, HPS, MH, fluoro tubes...?) When you do switch to flowering, the plant will stretch. Somewhere between twice it's height to 4 times it's height right now...depending on strain. The usable light from CFL's and fluoro tubes does not extend very far, but HID lights provide plenty of light.

Keeping a fan blowing directly on the plant(s) will strengthen the stems and prevent 'stale air' pockets.

You won't have to type as much if you'd continue at least one of the posts you've started regarding this grow, and were you to fill-out (copy-n-paste) the proper troubleshooting form (the link is in my signature) we could give you a better-informed answer to most of your questions and in a more timely manner.

Keep reading. Learning this stuff won't happen overnight. :thumbsup:

[budbudding]

You'll need to find a way to check water ph, and adjust it if necessary. "The claw" and the yellowing are a sign of ph being too low. Check online for you local 'Water Quality Report' and see what the average ph is for your local tapwater. This is at least a good starting point.

But most likely the buffers in your soil have been depleted. What is that...a 2 gallon pot? If so, I'd transplant to at least a 3 gallon pot, and prepare for switching to 12/12 soon. The fresh soil should provide enough buffering to take 'em to harvest. Do not let the roots dry-out when taking glamor shots of the rootball.

What kind lighting are you using? (CFL's, HPS, MH, fluoro tubes...?) When you do switch to flowering, the plant will stretch. Somewhere between twice it's height to 4 times it's height right now...depending on strain. The usable light from CFL's and fluoro tubes does not extend very far, but HID lights provide plenty of light.

Keeping a fan blowing directly on the plant(s) will strengthen the stems and prevent 'stale air' pockets.

You won't have to type as much if you'd continue at least one of the posts you've started regarding this grow, and were you to fill-out (copy-n-paste) the proper troubleshooting form (the link is in my signature) we could give you a better-informed answer to most of your questions and in a more timely manner.

Keep reading. Learning this stuff won't happen overnight. :thumbsup:

Hi rusty, the bulb im not sure on , its a 600 watt dual sectrum grow lamp made by sunmaster,.. as for the pots these ar 3 gallon pots , 14ltrs just need to add a bit mor soil ,,. My local ph water is 7.8 , ive been puting it in at 6.3 , my plagron grow mix ph was 5.8 - 6.3 i think wasnt it ?? and i was thinking of putting them into flower now , will they still grow in flower , ive heard they will about double the size but not know if thats right or not ??

[budbudding]

Hi ,

light is a sunmaster 600watt HPS Dual spectrum

[budbudding]

Hi ,

light is a sunmaster 600watt HPS Dual spectrum

Your Equipment:
.1) Type and wattage of lights. (MH, HPS, CFL's, tube fluorescents, LED's)...600watt HPS
.2) Distance from tops? 2FT
.3) Reflector type? (cool tube set-up, bat wing, enclosed reflector, bare bulb...) bare bulb
.4) Is there a consistent fresh air supply? yes , 4" ducting from a extractor fan out side to the tent
.5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan? yes 4 "
.6) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule? 600watts 18/6

Your medium:
.7) Specific brand and type of soil, (coco, peat based soilless...) and anything you've added to it. (vermiculite, perlite, worm castings...) Plagron grow mix with perlite
.8) Size of container. 3 gallon
.9) Did you use peat pucks (or similar) to root clones or germinate seedlings? no

Your nutrients and water:
10) Source of water? (tap, bottled or filtered) What's it's ph before adjusting? tap water ph7.8
11) Method of checking water ph. (ph pen, test strips, aquarium test kit...) ph meter
12) Method of adjusting water ph. (phosphoric acid, white vinegar, hydrated lime, PH Up...) phosphoric acid ph down
13) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule. for mister i use canna rhizotonic 0.6-0.2-0.6
14) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering? 4-5 days 3ltrs
15) Any additives or tea's? (Superthrive, CalMag, molasses, Mother's Earth...)no
16) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate? stable
17) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph? 6.3 in runoff is 6.7
18) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray?

Your growroom:
19) Indoors or outdoors? in doors
20) What size of closet, room or hut? grow tent 1200x1200x2000
21) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off? lights on 79-83 rh 40-50% when off 62-67 rh 45-60%
22) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom? no

Your strain:
23) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?) not sure?? , Jack herer
24) From seeds or clones? cuttings
25) Is this an autoflower strain??....???

[polishpollack]

At 83F, your lights-on temp is a little high. Leaves curl upward to transpire when air temp is high. It looks like the leaf ends are curling upward; am I seeing that right? Your pH is interesting in that it is higher on the way out than going in. Should be the other way around, but at any rate, it's not bad at all. I wouldn't mess with it right now. Also I don't know if foliar feed is what you want to do, although it doesn't appear to have a bad effect as your plant looks good. 0.2 of phosphorus may not be enough to go through flower, although if fed directly to the leaves it might be ok provided you don't over do it. Info I found on Plagron Growmix is that its fert content is good for the the first 3 weeks of veg, which is probably the typical duration of veg for most indoor grows. You'll have to consider using a blooming fert. Plagron has a couple ferts, one called Terra Bloom, that will work great if the NPK adequate. As always, read the lables. Try to get the most for your money. If Terra looks like it has most or all the micronutes and good NPK, then it should work great in that soil. Actually a 5 gallon pot is enough to get through flowering, if you do this right. The biggest problem for adding ferts after the plant is in soil is that it's hard to tell how much to give and how often. Alot of people overdo the fert because they don't know what's still available in the soil and what isn't. Probably the best way to handle this is to wait until the lower leaves become pale green to maybe a little yellow, then give a fert dose. The directions on the container will probably tell you how much fert to use per liter or gallon of water. Also, you want the soil to dry out some before watering, to let oxygen get to the roots. Your watering amount might be ok at temps in the low 80's, but you don't want to overwater. I think your plant looks pretty good, actually. best of luck.

[budbudding]

At 83F, your lights-on temp is a little high. Leaves curl upward to transpire when air temp is high. It looks like the leaf ends are curling upward; am I seeing that right? Your pH is interesting in that it is higher on the way out than going in. Should be the other way around, but at any rate, it's not bad at all. I wouldn't mess with it right now. Also I don't know if foliar feed is what you want to do, although it doesn't appear to have a bad effect as your plant looks good. 0.2 of phosphorus may not be enough to go through flower, although if fed directly to the leaves it might be ok provided you don't over do it. Info I found on Plagron Growmix is that its fert content is good for the the first 3 weeks of veg, which is probably the typical duration of veg for most indoor grows. You'll have to consider using a blooming fert. Plagron has a couple ferts, one called Terra Bloom, that will work great if the NPK adequate. As always, read the lables. Try to get the most for your money. If Terra looks like it has most or all the micronutes and good NPK, then it should work great in that soil. Actually a 5 gallon pot is enough to get through flowering, if you do this right. The biggest problem for adding ferts after the plant is in soil is that it's hard to tell how much to give and how often. Alot of people overdo the fert because they don't know what's still available in the soil and what isn't. Probably the best way to handle this is to wait until the lower leaves become pale green to maybe a little yellow, then give a fert dose. The directions on the container will probably tell you how much fert to use per liter or gallon of water. Also, you want the soil to dry out some before watering, to let oxygen get to the roots. Your watering amount might be ok at temps in the low 80's, but you don't want to overwater. I think your plant looks pretty good, actually. best of luck.

Hi polishpollock thanx for your time cheers mate !

To be honest with you , this is my first attemped at growing cannabis , ive never even seen a cannabis plant in my life , ( bet ive smoked enough of them tho ) so i wouldnt know what to look at so im a bit para at this time , ive spent alot of time and sleepness nights over these lol ...any way enough of me waffling....

...Yes you can see the sides pointing up , I was aware that it could be heat related, i have tryed my upmost to bring this down as much as i can , before i added a extractor fan out side the house with a 4" ducting attached
run into the tent , temps were at about 90,! If i could afford a air conditioner i would get one for sure but thats the best i can get so i will have to make do for now :/ , But at these temps am i puting any thing at risk? Also all the stems are a purple colour, i was told this is through stress?? , would i be able to put into flower like this ??

I have got bloom , Alga bloom from plagron , but it doesnt tell me how much is in there only whats in there ...NITROGEN, PHOSPHORUS, FERMENTEN, POTASSIUM, AMINO ACIDS, VITAMINS, TRACE ELEMENTS , ENZYMES, MINERALS, GROWTH HORMONES,. Dosage say's 4ml per ltr, should i stick to that?? ..Would this be ok to use ? And just 1 more thing ? Is it true that plants double even triple their size in flower? if so my plants are 23" would it be best to start flower soon as possible? and would you recomend i chage from these 3 gallon pots into 5 gallon pots ? if so what soil would be best for me ?


Thanx again !

Kev

[budbudding]

Plagron Alga-Bloom
Alga Bloom is an organic and easy to use nutrient for the bloom phase. Because Plants have different needs during the bloom phase, they need a specially adapted food with a different NPK ratio. Alga Bloom promotes improved root development and a strong, rich flowering of the plant. Plagron Alga-bloom contains: 13% phosphor, 14% potash, 1.5% nitrogen, trace elements, vitamins, enzymes, growth hormones, ferments and more than 20 types of amino acids.
Usage: Dilute 4 ml with 1 litre of water. Water the plants with this dilution once a week. A 1 litre bottle.

Would i need to add on this ??