True Hermi?

[emilya]

This has been a weird plant from the very start. It always looked different than the other seedlings it was raised with, and at the very least is a different phenotype than the others. At the present, it is 9 weeks old and still vegging.

All the others have been sexed and this one has held out. I have gotten comments from others looking at these nodes like, "damn strange" and "now there is a true hermaphodite!" and "hell if I know."

Let's see what you all think. There are 4 sets of these in each major node. All of them are the same. What starts out looking like a male part develops two thin dark tubes that split off from the center green part and look like tarantula fangs. On a few sites, at the top of those tubes a double wispy pistil looking thing pokes out... not in a classic V, but like radio antennas on a skyscraper.

I have looked and looked for examples such as these in books and the internet. I can not find an example of this anywhere. I have seen plants stressed into being a hermaphrodite that can have both sex organs in a spot like this... but never in a configuration like this.

What do you all think? I need to flip the switch soon and don't want to take the risk of this baby popping out pollen on me. I am tempted to kill it just for being difficult, but I am curious if anyone has seen this before. Is this what a hermi looks like when it is meant to be one from the very start?

Emmie

emilya Reviewed by emilya on 02-08-2011. True Hermi? This has been a weird plant from the very start. It always looked different than the other seedlings it was raised with, and at the very least is a different phenotype than the others. At the present, it is 9 weeks old and still vegging. All the others have been sexed and this one has held out. I have gotten comments from others looking at these nodes like, "damn strange" and "now there is a true hermaphodite!" and "hell if I know." Let's see what you all think. There are 4 sets of Rating: 5

[Gatekeeper777]

If it's seedlings are it's sisters. I would chuck it up to mutation and keep it thin watching for balls to develop. This can be done on a daily check. I would hate to cut down a genetic mutation that may end up paying off. But thats just me.imp:

[tevfik]

If you can get some more pictures of those things? Looks like another branch is growing from there.

[emilya]

If you can get some more pictures of those things? Looks like another branch is growing from there.

its hard to get in there and get pictures of these as they really are tiny. Its not new branches though... these sites have been there for several weeks now without much change. New bud sites would have continued to develop, these seem to be staying pretty constant and consistent around the plant.

Attached, you will see a wider shot of one of these nodes, showing you the new growth, the stipule and between them, right where it should be, the funny sex organs we are looking at in the closeup.

Pretty weird isn't it?

Emmie

[tikiroom]

Well I gave my guess on the poll, hopefully your plant proves me wrong.

[WashougalWonder]

Glad you are looking for other opinions, you know mine, I voted that way too.

[DogtowN]

This has been a weird plant from the very start. It always looked different than the other seedlings it was raised with, and at the very least is a different phenotype than the others. At the present, it is 9 weeks old and still vegging.


What do you all think? I need to flip the switch soon and don't want to take the risk of this baby popping out pollen on me. I am tempted to kill it just for being difficult, but I am curious if anyone has seen this before. Is this what a hermi looks like when it is meant to be one from the very start.

I cast my vote.

If you have a space to keep a REAL CLOSE eye on it, give it a chance. But I think that critter will be nothing but trouble.

It may be a bit of a mutant, but she looks real "iffy" to me. I wouldn't risk keeping her around if I could cover my needs with the other plants on hand.

Also, When did the others show sex?
Nine weeks is a long time, I would have probably already dumped this one just for being so slow.

[Rusty Trichome]

There was no "too early to tell" option, so I didn't vote.

At this point you may be looking at either a calyx or a nanner. Give it enough time to verify that no pistils are coming out before chopping it down. :thumbsup:

[tikiroom]

Any progress on identification?

[emilya]

Any progress on identification?

Not yet... more of the same here. I am now in the 4th day of flowering, so we should know something soon and I am watching closely. Lights have been switched to all red and 12/12. I have been watching a few of the nodes thinking I might be seeing a male part, and then those fang things separate out. So far I see no clustering of these things that would indicate they are male parts, and there are no definitive parts on their own stalks.

The poll was mostly indecisive too, with more of you thinking that this was strange or didn't know, and of course there was Rusty's answer to consider that it was still too early to tell. That is my take on it too and I am still waiting to see some pistils start popping out of this thing. I am still leaning female on it due to the lack of definitive male parts and also the fact that a male would generally have matured faster. WW may be right after all and we will find that these are all both male and female parts in one. This plant is definitely different than anything I have seen before in person or in the books though, as it appears to be a mature plant by looking at the staggered nodes and those fang things. If this was a big operation I would have already culled this one for the sake of the others, but with a 2 plant personal grow, this has got me so intrigued I am in it till I know. And if it does turn out to be a female, and not a hermi or even a male, I am going to be very interested in putting some of her in my pipe and comparing with the known strain beside her. Who knows at this point... those dark fang things may just turn out to be the pistils we all have been looking for and are just in a very strange configuration. What intrigues me the most here is that none of the experts seem to have seen this phenomenon before and that no one can identify it yet. If it is female we will be doing a close look at the resulting buds, the color and smell and any other clues she gives as to what exactly this phenotype has reverted back to. I love that this grow has turned out to have an interesting turn to it with something new to learn! I will keep you all informed as to what I find out. :thumbsup:

Emmie