Need Help. First Grow and all stressed out!

[malus69]

Hi everyone,

as the title says this is my first attempt to grow my own babies and I just need some guidance as the grow progresses just to be sure everything goes well and learn as much as I can in the process. So here's a little info.

What is your experience level? first timer

Your Equipment:
.1) 400W HPS Agro
.2) Around 15". http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9370/p1220265.jpg
.3) Parabolic deflector
.4) Small passive intake in the door of the room plus opening for 10-30mins twice a day at least
.5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan? Yes both
.6) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule? 430W (30W of blue spectrum light) 58k lumens running at 18/6
http://www.hydroponics.eu/db_img/img/1664_2.jpg

Your medium:
.7) Biobizz lightmix :: BioBizz
.8) 14l
.9) Did you use peat pucks (or similar) to root clones or germinate seedlings? No

Your nutrients and water:
10) Source of water? (tap, bottled or filtered) What's it's ph before adjusting? Tap water left in a container for at least 24-48h before used. Occasional rain water too. No idea on the ph tbh I need to get a pen at some point soon
11) Method of checking water ph. (ph pen, test strips, aquarium test kit...) None atm
12) Method of adjusting water ph. (phosphoric acid, white vinegar, hydrated lime, PH Up...) None atm
13) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule. Cellmax Organics not yet feeding asides some slight foliar feeding with rootbooster
http://www.hydroponics.eu/img/schema_bio_en.jpg
14) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering? Every 3-4 days
15) Any additives or tea's? No
16) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate? Don't know yet, they should be since I'm not feeding yet
17) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph? No idea unfortunately.
18) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray? I foliar feed every 2-3 days with 3ml/l of rootbooster usually around afternoon that I get back from work. Watering is done with no nutrients atm.

Your growroom:
19) Indoors or outdoors? Outdoors, built on a roof
20) What size of closet, room or hut? Roughly 5sqm (60sqf) but the area utilized for growing is around 2sqm (20sqf) and 3m (10ft) high
21) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off? On 20-23C (68-73F) and 60-70% hum. Off On 17-19C (63-66F) and 60-70% hum.
22) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom? No

Your strain:
23) What strain are you growing? Sativa (Hawaii / Laos) supposed to be Green House Hawaiian Snow but don't trust the source lol (that's another long story of noobiness but anyway :wtf
24) From seeds or clones? Seeds
25) Is this an autoflower strain? No


A little history:
Germinated seeds in paper towel after soaking in distilled water overnight. 9/10 seeds sunk, and those 9 where germinated and planted in rockwool cubes. They sprouted out of the cubes in less than 2 days,
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6923/p1170159.jpg
kept under tube fluo with just water spray for about a week while I was finishing the growroom and planted the rockwool directly to the soil 9 days ago with roots coming out at least an inch or two from the bottom of the rockwool.


Now I don't know if all that was needed for what I want to ask but I thought I might as well do it anyway. My question atm is whether or not my plants have passed from seedling to veg stage yet so I can start feeding, if not when I will know for sure that they have (cause reading countless sources and books just left some things way confused in my head) and if you think everything looks ok with my plants.

Here they are at the day I moved them to soil.

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/7052/p1220226.jpg

And here's a picture 8 days later.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/9517/p1300005t.jpg

Am I just being paranoid and overly stressed or the leaf edges are slightly tipped up? Temp at the top of the plants never exceeds 25-26C (77-79F) and is usually kept at around 24C (75F) with an oscillating fan blowing air constantly. They do grow fast though! What about the strain? Is it indeed a sativa or it's too soon to tell for sure? :rastasmoke: Leaves look a little wide to me but then again I'm the noob here...

Thank you all in advance for all the help and I'm sorry for being a pain but it's the first time and I'm losing sleep over it :stoned:

Cheers,
:joint1:

malus69 Reviewed by malus69 on 01-31-2011. Need Help. First Grow and all stressed out! Hi everyone, as the title says this is my first attempt to grow my own babies and I just need some guidance as the grow progresses just to be sure everything goes well and learn as much as I can in the process. So here's a little info. What is your experience level? first timer Your Equipment: .1) 400W HPS Agro .2) Around 15". http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9370/p1220265.jpg .3) Parabolic deflector Rating: 5

[Weezard]

Hi everyone,

as the title says this is my first attempt to grow my own babies and I just need some guidance as the grow progresses just to be sure everything goes well and learn as much as I can in the process. So here's a little info.

What is your experience level? first timer

Your Equipment:
.1) 400W HPS Agro
.2) Around 15". http://img257.imageshack.us/img257/9370/p1220265.jpg
.3) Parabolic deflector
.4) Small passive intake in the door of the room plus opening for 10-30mins twice a day at least
.5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan? Yes both
.6) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule? 430W (30W of blue spectrum light) 58k lumens running at 18/6
http://www.hydroponics.eu/db_img/img/1664_2.jpg

Your medium:
.7) Biobizz lightmix :: BioBizz
.8) 14l
.9) Did you use peat pucks (or similar) to root clones or germinate seedlings? No

Your nutrients and water:
10) Source of water? (tap, bottled or filtered) What's it's ph before adjusting? Tap water left in a container for at least 24-48h before used. Occasional rain water too. No idea on the ph tbh I need to get a pen at some point soon
11) Method of checking water ph. (ph pen, test strips, aquarium test kit...) None atm
12) Method of adjusting water ph. (phosphoric acid, white vinegar, hydrated lime, PH Up...) None atm
13) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule. Cellmax Organics not yet feeding asides some slight foliar feeding with rootbooster
http://www.hydroponics.eu/img/schema_bio_en.jpg
14) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering? Every 3-4 days
15) Any additives or tea's? No
16) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate? Don't know yet, they should be since I'm not feeding yet
17) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph? No idea unfortunately.
18) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray? I foliar feed every 2-3 days with 3ml/l of rootbooster usually around afternoon that I get back from work. Watering is done with no nutrients atm.

Your growroom:
19) Indoors or outdoors? Outdoors, built on a roof
20) What size of closet, room or hut? Roughly 5sqm (60sqf) but the area utilized for growing is around 2sqm (20sqf) and 3m (10ft) high
21) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off? On 20-23C (68-73F) and 60-70% hum. Off On 17-19C (63-66F) and 60-70% hum.
22) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom? No

Your strain:
23) What strain are you growing? Sativa (Hawaii / Laos) supposed to be Green House Hawaiian Snow but don't trust the source lol (that's another long story of noobiness but anyway :wtf
24) From seeds or clones? Seeds
25) Is this an autoflower strain? No


A little history:
Germinated seeds in paper towel after soaking in distilled water overnight. 9/10 seeds sunk, and those 9 where germinated and planted in rockwool cubes. They sprouted out of the cubes in less than 2 days,
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/6923/p1170159.jpg
kept under tube fluo with just water spray for about a week while I was finishing the growroom and planted the rockwool directly to the soil 9 days ago with roots coming out at least an inch or two from the bottom of the rockwool.


Now I don't know if all that was needed for what I want to ask but I thought I might as well do it anyway. My question atm is whether or not my plants have passed from seedling to veg stage yet so I can start feeding, if not when I will know for sure that they have (cause reading countless sources and books just left some things way confused in my head) and if you think everything looks ok with my plants.

Here they are at the day I moved them to soil.

http://img812.imageshack.us/img812/7052/p1220226.jpg

And here's a picture 8 days later.

http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/9517/p1300005t.jpg

Am I just being paranoid and overly stressed or the leaf edges are slightly tipped up? Temp at the top of the plants never exceeds 25-26C (77-79F) and is usually kept at around 24C (75F) with an oscillating fan blowing air constantly. They do grow fast though! What about the strain? Is it indeed a sativa or it's too soon to tell for sure? :rastasmoke: Leaves look a little wide to me but then again I'm the noob here...

Thank you all in advance for all the help and I'm sorry for being a pain but it's the first time and I'm losing sleep over it :stoned:

Cheers,
:joint1:

Relax, brah.
They look alright and are proceeding apace.
Hope there's plenty of drainage holes in that styrofoam.

Oh, yeah. You prolly can't give rep. until you have made enough posts.

Thanks for the kind words in the other thread.
Aloha,
Weezard

[malus69]

Relax, brah.
They look alright and are proceeding apace.
Hope there's plenty of drainage holes in that styrofoam.

Oh, yeah. You prolly can't give rep. until you have made enough posts.

Thanks for the kind words in the other thread.
Aloha,
Weezard

No probs Weez and thx for the reply, I feel way more relaxed now. As for the rep I'll make up for it when I'm able too! :thumbsup: One thing though, are they on veg stage yet or not? And how do I know for sure when they are so I can start feeding em?

[tevfik]

They look fine at the moment :thumbsup: Being paranoid not needed now

May I ask you why do you foilar feed with root booster? Is it recommended to do that way or for some other reasons?
I'm asking because since its for the roots, making me think it should be applied to the soil. No?

Also you have light soil, so you should think of giving some grow nutrients as well. Since the plants are ok for now you may start with half dose and see how they react.
As I know, light mixes are for having control on fertilizing from the very beginning. I'm using light mix too but i didn't germinate in them, I used just before flowering and they fitted well with full dosage of feeding.

[malus69]

They look fine at the moment :thumbsup: Being paranoid not needed now

May I ask you why do you foilar feed with root booster? Is it recommended to do that way or for some other reasons?
I'm asking because since its for the roots, making me think it should be applied to the soil. No?

Also you have light soil, so you should think of giving some grow nutrients as well. Since the plants are ok for now you may start with half dose and see how they react.
As I know, light mixes are for having control on fertilizing from the very beginning. I'm using light mix too but i didn't germinate in them, I used just before flowering and they fitted well with full dosage of feeding.

As I said this is my first grow. I've done a lot of reading and research prior to starting but I always believed that experience is what counts at the end not theory. Plus that all this bombardment of information has left some things unclear in my head. So I found this forum a while ago and I started asking things that I couldn't find in books. Quoting from my first thread ever here when I joined a week ago or so.

dont even trip...they are fine. they die and fall off when their job is done. same with your first set of leaves. soil is fine just foliar feed,and wet with straight water in soil. younglings dont need a lot of nutes so dont get crazy. you shouldnt need anything for a week or two except foliar feed. get them closer to the light if you can, seedlings will stretch like a mofo.

So basically I trust what more experienced growers than me in these boards suggest and experiment a little too. As for the root booster going into the soil I'm not sure but my logic dictates that all the processes of nutrient breakdown happens inside the plant so either way of providing those nutrients would be ok. Plus iirc foliar feeding if done correctly is preferable if possible due to the reason that you minimize alkaline concentration in the soil that could alter the pH faster? Correct me and excuse me if I'm wrong but as I said atm I just know what I've been reading around. 0 experience whatsoever but I'm working on that s we speak :rastasmoke:

btw, anyone that can clear up the veg stage for me? I still don't have it clear what indicates that a seedling enters its vegetative period.

Peace!
:S5:

[jaydee84]

yep they look fine

as for veg stage.... soon as the seedling has rooted and enters fast growth then i would say its no longer a seedling.... how long you veg for is up to you when you think they big enough remember that they still grow a lot in flower 12/12 aleast 3-4x more if you want a reasonably quick grow veg for say 4 weeks then flower.....sweet
good luck

[malus69]

yep they look fine

as for veg stage.... soon as the seedling has rooted and enters fast growth then i would say its no longer a seedling.... how long you veg for is up to you when you think they big enough remember that they still grow a lot in flower 12/12 aleast 3-4x more if you want a reasonably quick grow veg for say 4 weeks then flower.....sweet
good luck

Thx jaydee, no I'm not in a hurry to have a quick grow. I was thinking to let em veg to at least 30-50cm tall before switching the lights to 12/12 as I have a 3m (10ft) clearance to the ceiling so height isn't a problem and this baby is supposed to be a sativa. (if indeed it is what I was told it is lol) Now the only reason I'm asking if they have entered veg growth stage is to know if I should start with the ferts schedule.

[jaydee84]

Thx jaydee, no I'm not in a hurry to have a quick grow. I was thinking to let em veg to at least 30-50cm tall before switching the lights to 12/12 as I have a 3m (10ft) clearance to the ceiling so height isn't a problem and this baby is supposed to be a sativa. (if indeed it is what I was told it is lol) Now the only reason I'm asking if they have entered veg growth stage is to know if I should start with the ferts schedule.

as for fertz if your soil has its own food/fertz should be like 2-3 week supply check packaging if it has leave it 3 weeks from potting then you can use fetz otherwise its a high chance of nuit burn etc.... to much fertz entering plant,... also never over do it with fertz to much is not good and will only slow you grow down

[malus69]

as for fertz if your soil has its own food/fertz should be like 2-3 week supply check packaging if it has leave it 3 weeks from potting then you can use fetz otherwise its a high chance of nuit burn etc.... to much fertz entering plant,... also never over do it with fertz to much is not good and will only slow you grow down

I'm not at home now so can't check the exact amounts but I'm using Biobizz lightmix soil that is supposed to be low in ferts to allow more user control over the nutrients. EC 1.2 and pH 6.1-6.3 is all I remember.

Light-Mix is an ideal potting soil for organic gardeners who want to have control over the growing process through the application of liquid fertilizers. Slightly fertilized it ensures a fast development of roots and vigorous new growth.

Also I'm using Cellmax Bio (still trying to find someone that has used them for MJ before to get some feedback) organic nuts and I was thinking of going with the recommended dosages but feed every other watering? Is that correct or you think I should narrow down more the feedings? Or just cut down on the dosage and feed every time I water? Is it true that it's harder to cause nutrient burns/over-fertilize on organics?

[tevfik]

As I said this is my first grow. I've done a lot of reading and research prior to starting but I always believed that experience is what counts at the end not theory. Plus that all this bombardment of information has left some things unclear in my head. So I found this forum a while ago and I started asking things that I couldn't find in books. Quoting from my first thread ever here when I joined a week ago or so.



So basically I trust what more experienced growers than me in these boards suggest and experiment a little too. As for the root booster going into the soil I'm not sure but my logic dictates that all the processes of nutrient breakdown happens inside the plant so either way of providing those nutrients would be ok. Plus iirc foliar feeding if done correctly is preferable if possible due to the reason that you minimize alkaline concentration in the soil that could alter the pH faster? Correct me and excuse me if I'm wrong but as I said atm I just know what I've been reading around. 0 experience whatsoever but I'm working on that s we speak :rastasmoke:

btw, anyone that can clear up the veg stage for me? I still don't have it clear what indicates that a seedling enters its vegetative period.

Peace!
:S5:

I'm not familiar with foilar feeding, I'm also learning like you do. I read about it but still I have concerns about the foliar feeding of Root Booster. Since it's a supplement for the roots it should work for the roots more than the leaves I'm thinking. I would like to hear some specific answer from a trusted hand for that too if anyone experienced in soil, foliar feeding of root supplements.
I read the previous thread but you weren't talking about root booster there so advice you got from an experienced hand can't always point your exact situation.
I didn't foliar feed, I didn't use light mix in the beginning but my cotyledons lived for 20 days.

Just I'm trying to say is, simple details that you missed can be the main reason of your problem my friend.
Keep peace with you :hippy: