ok i cut away the other day removing about 1/3 of the big fan's from the main stem leaving all the bigger one's on the cola's along with training almost all the cola's to grow out more then up in to each other (I have a feeling that im going to have to do something like a scrog or just tie the nug's so they wont brake the stem any ideas on what to use other then scrog) And how long does it take for flowering to start after 12/12 under MH ive had the pistals/white hairs for awhile before flowering.:rasta: