Clone issues!

[CapNTinHat]

Hello, I am new to the forum.

I am a new MMJ patient and new medical farmer. I have as of yet only semi-successfully pulled off two plants (semi in that we had some issues during flowering, they turned yellow about a month or so away from harvest and the fan leaves all fell off within 2-3 weeks of yellowing which = really low yields and probably lesser-than-highest quality)

Now here we are, about a month later. We have 19 clones from a strain called Julius Caesar, which we have under compound flor. lighting, 24 hrs. They are in a humidity dome and we used Olivia's to root them. As of yet, there is no overgrowing roots that I can see that would indicate that it is time to transplant, and the clones aren't doing so hot.

Two major issues: 1, red spider mites. It's not an "infestation" at this point, but they are definantly there. The only thing I had to use was stylet oil, which is less toxic. But still not good to be spraying on sensitive clones!
2, General shriveling. 2/3's of the clones are 25-50% shriveled, leaves turning brown, dying! I have no idea what the issue is!

Help us! I don't wanna fuck up my babies!!

CapNTinHat Reviewed by CapNTinHat on 01-25-2011. Clone issues! Hello, I am new to the forum. I am a new MMJ patient and new medical farmer. I have as of yet only semi-successfully pulled off two plants (semi in that we had some issues during flowering, they turned yellow about a month or so away from harvest and the fan leaves all fell off within 2-3 weeks of yellowing which = really low yields and probably lesser-than-highest quality) Now here we are, about a month later. We have 19 clones from a strain called Julius Caesar, which we have under Rating: 5

[jaydee84]

humm have you been giving them fertz/nuits..etc its not good to with young clones and did u use any rooting gel or similar
ive seen clones just shrivel up and die when given fertz so early they cant take it just use ph'ed water for first couple of weeks
is what i would of done
if they not dead already and you did use fertz of some sort i would try flush them and try save them

it really hurts to see dieing mj plants
good luck tho mate

[canniwhatsis]

where did you get the clones? From a dispensary or did you cut em yourself from a mother?

Ok, you used olivias, what medium? Rockwool, rapid rooters, soil, aeroponic cloner....... What's your water PH? if your using rockwool or rooter plugs is there just enough water to keep them moist but not soaking wet? What's your temps? How much light are you using on them?


Some wilting and dying is a bit normal as the plant pulls nutrients from the leaves in it's efforts to form roots I've certainly had batches of clones that looked like ass but were 100% success and grew fine once put into soil.

[CapNTinHat]

The clones were clipped from a friend's motherplant.
The medium is rapid rooter, and the pH is approximately 6 (only have color-changing pH kit, no digital tester). They aren't soaking wet, they are watered only when the cubes are (fairly) dry.

I scrapped a few of the smaller, sicker, mold-stricken ones and checked for rooting. They all lacked roots, excepting one which had only a single rootlet. They have been in for 2 weeks.


We're using a 2-foot 24watt T5 HO 6500K blue fixture with 4 bulbs. As of now, the clones are probably 18 inches from the light.
We also have some seedlings in the same box (we're cloning and doing seedlings in a big cedar armoire.), is that ok to do?



*sigh*, they make it seem so easy when you first start out! Guess that's the old learning curve.

[gypski]

The clones were clipped from a friend's motherplant.
The medium is rapid rooter, and the pH is approximately 6 (only have color-changing pH kit, no digital tester). They aren't soaking wet, they are watered only when the cubes are (fairly) dry.

I scrapped a few of the smaller, sicker, mold-stricken ones and checked for rooting. They all lacked roots, excepting one which had only a single rootlet. They have been in for 2 weeks.


We're using a 2-foot 24watt T5 HO 6500K blue fixture with 4 bulbs. As of now, the clones are probably 18 inches from the light.
We also have some seedlings in the same box (we're cloning and doing seedlings in a big cedar armoire.), is that ok to do?



*sigh*, they make it seem so easy when you first start out! Guess that's the old learning curve.

I lost one that when I looked it had one 1/2" root but it didn't take. Rockwool cube. Have you tried the dome? 99% success ain't bad. And I have 9 under a two bulb 24" doing fine with two seedlings. Move the light to at least 6" or somewhat closer. I have it close to mine right now within 2". :thumbsup:

[tikiroom]

If the cuttings have not rooted yet that is way too much light.
You need just the bare minimum light when rooting clones. This is because they need to focus on root development.
As stated above, a humidity dome does wonders also.

[gypski]

I went back and saw your original post. Mites don't help clones or adults. that's issue #1. Start there first. :thumbsup:

[CapNTinHat]

I have them in a humidity dome! [QUOTE]Julius Caesar, which we have under compound flor. lighting, 24 hrs. They are in a humidity dome and we used Olivia's to root them/QUOTE]

And they were looking ill before I noticed the mites, but that could be it right there.

And for the lighting issue: move them closer or farther away?! There were conflicting replies, could someone clear this up? Is there are better timing that 24 hrs. for rooting?

EDIT: also, is stylet oil good for getting rid of mites? If not, what should I use that won't kill the clones? Should I let them get a little bigger before I do that, or now?

[jaydee84]

to much light when cloning is not always desirable let them root proply before lots of lighting....you can also use red light for promoting root growth

[canniwhatsis]

Move the lights AWAY!!!!! Or diffuse them! I'm running the same (I think) lights above my cloner,....

I use a bamboo serving mat as a diffuser over the top of my humidity dome,... that way I can keep my light close to the top and keep the temps up where they need to be but not soo much light hitting the clones.


NEEM oil is what you want to spray on your plants to kill the mites.

1tsp of neem to a quart of warm water and a couple drops (5-10) of some dish soap (Blue Dawn works, but I preffer Dr.Bronner's Dr. Bronner's Magic Soaps: FAQs: FAQs )

Do this weekly all the way until week 2 of flower and you're not gonna see another mite!