leaves are crisp and deformed break easy

[smokyjlamo]

hey peeps wats up with my plants most of the plant looks pretty healthy just the bottom leaves are dying off and bigger larger shade leaves are crisping and dying off easy to break and deformed looking


Your Equipment:

.1) Type and wattage of lights. (MH, HPS, CFL's, tube fluorescents, LED's) 400w growlush lamp

.2) Distance from tops? approx 1 foot

.3) Reflector type? ballast

.4) Is there a consistent fresh air supply? two small circular fans i think its sufficient

.5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan? no

.6) What are the bulb wattages, kelvin ratings, and schedule?12/12 400w

Your medium:

.7) Specific brand and type of soil, (coco, peat based soilless...) and anything you've added to it. terrazilla, cheap potting mix

.8) Size of container. 12 litre pb bag

.9) Did you use peat pucks (or similar) to root clones or germinate seedlings? no

Your nutrients and water:

10) Source of water? (tap, bottled or filtered) tap water

11) Method of checking water ph. (ph pen, test strips, aquarium test kit...) not checking ph

12) Method of adjusting water ph

13) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) using nitrophoska blue balls and epsom salts

14) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering? water each plant 1 litre every 3 4 days and add water to bottom of grow room for plants to soak up

15) Any additives or tea

16) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate? dont know what ph levels are growing in soil

17) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph?


18) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray. after lights out give leaves a spray with water usually sometimes add epsom salts and nitrophoska blue balls diluted

Your growroom:

19) Indoors or outdoors?indoor

20) What size of closet, room or hut? 90 x 50 x 160

21) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off? not sure gets pretty hot with lights on, maybe 35 degrees celsius, and pretty cool with lights off

22) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom?no

Your strain:

23) What strain are you growing? (Indica dominate or Sativa dom?) from bag seed indica i think

24) From seeds or clones? seed

25) Is this an autoflower strain? um duno first time indoor growing but its on 12/12 cycle now

smokyjlamo Reviewed by smokyjlamo on 01-02-2011. leaves are crisp and deformed break easy hey peeps wats up with my plants most of the plant looks pretty healthy just the bottom leaves are dying off and bigger larger shade leaves are crisping and dying off easy to break and deformed looking Your Equipment: .1) Type and wattage of lights. (MH, HPS, CFL's, tube fluorescents, LED's) 400w growlush lamp .2) Distance from tops? approx 1 foot .3) Reflector type? ballast Rating: 5

[tevfik]

Its hot in there. Get an exhaust. Use effective intakes or blow air to the bulb. Raise the light little higher from the canopy.

[Rusty Trichome]

Pictures would help.

Cannabis is pretty finicky about her ph. You'll want to find out your local water conditions, and adjust accordingly. You can either Google for your local municipal water report, or get a ph kit or ph pen.

Granulated ferts (the "slow" or "time-release" kind) are generally a no-no in container gardening. If the plants are getting overfertilized, (which I suspect they are) there's no way to remove the nutrients or adjust the feedings. (transplant into fresh soil, change nutrients asap)

There's a sticky around here somewhere about epsom salts not being a miracle cure. Find it and read it. You might just be dehydrating the plants with too many salts. If you're going to transplant into fresh soil soon, not a big deal. If not, you'll want to flush the salts out with properly ph'd water.

NEVER let the plants sit in standing water. It will cause nutrient lockout and will lead to root rot. Cannabis prefers a wet-dry cycle. Let the soil dry between waterings.

95 degrees is pretty warm. You'll likely want to try and cool the daytime temps, or keep the night time temps higher. Try and keep the high and low temps as close to each other as possible. (a maximum of 15-20 degrees f. difference, if possible)

tevfik: if your going to help troubleshoot other members grows, you'll need to be much more thorough. This is a medical cannabis site, and I know I'd get pretty pissed were a member to jump in and mention only one issue, when there are multiple issues. Half an answer is no answer, and this is neither the time nor the place to do things half-assed.

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

no offense but i would chalk this up as learning 101. get what you can and move on. meanwhile, research genitics, methods of cultivation, and purchase things along the way if your on a budget. then you will really start having some fun. with a spuddie; enough just isnt enough. "mj isnt addictive growing it is"...unknown member overgrow.com.

[tevfik]

Pictures would help.
tevfik: if your going to help troubleshoot other members grows, you'll need to be much more thorough. This is a medical cannabis site, and I know I'd get pretty pissed were a member to jump in and mention only one issue, when there are multiple issues. Half an answer is no answer, and this is neither the time nor the place to do things half-assed.

Sorry smokyjlamo, there is no heat issue, don't touch the light, you don't need an exhaust either, let them breath same old air in there, they will be fine with that old air and unused nutrients. Most important thing is your PH, specially if you're using soil but hydro. Set your PH balanced then you're fine.
And probably you learned that tray watering thing from some other shitty forums. Here you never can find such an information points to that. We don't water from the bottom. Never!

Rusty Trichome: All the answers what that grower need can't be only in one post. I give mine, you give yours. No need to argue.
I thought here is a cannabis club as well. That's written on top. If not then you should check the topic starters status, before getting at me.

[smokyjlamo]

cheers for the feed back guys no need to fight though i appreciate all the help i can get and value all opinions

things have got worse though the plant looks like its going to die some of the stronger lats have started drooping, its my first indoor grow, and yup im think im guilty of over fert and bit of over watering too,but will take your advice and stop tray watering.
il try to decrease heat as much as i can, but its only a small tent and gets really hot really quick
i may lose this one but ive still got four more so all hope is not lost

keep on toking :rastasmoke:

[Rusty Trichome]

Good things rarely happen overnight. Try and nurse them through as best you can, and learn from the experience. Read through some Grow Logs, and look for a few members that are growing in a tent, and go from there. See what they do, what they use, and the techniques that help them in a confined gorwroom, and you'll slowly get the hang of it all. Learning is a process, not a switch.

Sorry smokyjlamo, there is no heat issue, don't touch the light, you don't need an exhaust either, let them breath same old air in there, they will be fine with that old air and unused nutrients.

Now THERE'S a mature resopnse...

Rusty Trichome: All the answers what that grower need can't be only in one post. I give mine, you give yours. No need to argue.
I thought here is a cannabis club as well. That's written on top. If not then you should check the topic starters status, before getting at me.

There is no arguing that if you are going to help another member troubleshoot their growroom issues, you should know WTF you're doing. It's too easy for the inexperienced 'helper' to miss an important fact or two in the haste to be the first to answer. Oh, and BTW...this isn't a cannabis club. It's a MEDICAL cannabis club. To my wife with cancer, and me with chronic Hep-C, this isn't a game.

Perhaps you should stop misleading the members you're trying to help by giving the impression your 'help' is going to solve their issues. That's why we have the troubleshooting form. The info was there, and if the only issue you noticed was the temperature and air circulation...then perhaps you should, at the very least, mention that you aren't all that good at troubleshooting, and that there may be more issues that you've missed. (phrase your response to reflect that there may be other issues that you don't notice when posting)

I'm not trying to disuade you from offering help. I'm just trying to help you to keep from killing other member's meds with incomplete diagnosis' and treatment plans.

I stand by my previous response...

[WashougalWonder]

You are so kind Rusty, I would not have been so. I commend you :thumbsup:

[Rusty Trichome]

You are so kind Rusty, I would not have been so. I commend you :thumbsup:

It's a gift.

[tevfik]

Good things rarely happen overnight. Try and nurse them through as best you can, and learn from the experience. Read through some Grow Logs, and look for a few members that are growing in a tent, and go from there. See what they do, what they use, and the techniques that help them in a confined gorwroom, and you'll slowly get the hang of it all. Learning is a process, not a switch.


Now THERE'S a mature resopnse...



There is no arguing that if you are going to help another member troubleshoot their growroom issues, you should know WTF you're doing. It's too easy for the inexperienced 'helper' to miss an important fact or two in the haste to be the first to answer. Oh, and BTW...this isn't a cannabis club. It's a MEDICAL cannabis club. To my wife with cancer, and me with chronic Hep-C, this isn't a game.

Perhaps you should stop misleading the members you're trying to help by giving the impression your 'help' is going to solve their issues. That's why we have the troubleshooting form. The info was there, and if the only issue you noticed was the temperature and air circulation...then perhaps you should, at the very least, mention that you aren't all that good at troubleshooting, and that there may be more issues that you've missed. (phrase your response to reflect that there may be other issues that you don't notice when posting)

I'm not trying to disuade you from offering help. I'm just trying to help you to keep from killing other member's meds with incomplete diagnosis' and treatment plans.

I stand by my previous response...

I'm just trying to help you guys too save your time and efforts on such a common mistakes made by beginners. I pointed two main factors as i saw from the form. I saw other possibilities but left them for experts to answer if necessary in this case.

I feel sorry about what i responded previously.