Emmies Grow Log - White Widow

[emilya]

Hello my faithful readers, today finds me wanting to do an update and fill you all in. I hope this day finds you happy and healthy. :thumbsup:

As you can see from my title, I have switched to flowering. After 5 days of this, #3 finally declared itself... yes, WW was right and it was a hermie right out of the seed. This was NOT stress induced; it was just inclined to swing that way. It was very interesting seeing this on my first grow. I have been blessed with good things to see as I learn my new hobby.

So, we are down to 1 plant. Our original #2 has turned out to be a wonderful girl and I will show you soon how she is doing. She went under the SCRog screen a couple of weeks back and we started learning how to do the initial training. All in all, after being corrected to put the screen horizontal things have gone very well. There were a few lessons along the way though...

The discussion earlier about the hormones that cause the lower branches to accelerate their growth was very enlightening. Sure enough, once the screen went horizontal and I nightly took care to make sure the main cola was lower than the tallest lower growth, this thing took off. All the lower branches started growing rapidly, and within a week all had reached the canopy level. So, next time I am going to start training in the veg tent to start this branching out from the bottom. This time in my naivet'e I thought, "I don't need to train them early with LST techniques, I am planning on doing a FIM and later the SCRog where they will get plenty of training." Yep... sure.... :stoned:

First off... the FIM didn't work so well. I guess I took too much. I also FIM'ed #3 and definitely got 4 main colas as a result. This girl, not so much. She stunted at the top for quite a while as a result of my evisceration and then slowly built back up a single cola at the top. Hmm... it wasn't supposed to do that.

My efforts did result in stimulating the side growth, but not without a severe stunting of about a week while she just looked at me with her stupid haircut and said, "Really? I mean... Really?" Next grow, I'm FIMing at the 4th node like is recommended. Then when they get near screen height I am going to tie them down... well before we head for the flowering tent.

You might remember that I took clones. Well... at first, that went very well. I had 3 out of 4 that were looking good after 10 days and I saw signs of roots in one of them at the bottom of the starter pot. I decided it was time to repot them into party cups. That was going well until I had a horrible accident. Somehow I caught my tray on my sleeve and tumbled the whole thing, cups, totally shocked new clones and soil all over the floor. Egads. I tried to save them. It looks like 1 is going to survive. grrrr. I will be treating #2 as a valuable mother at the end of this grow and will be sending her back in to veg after harvest. I guess in the remaining 8 weeks of this grow I am going to start a few more beans and see what we get out of the free seeds that came with this order. This might just be very interesting too.

The other big thing that has changed is that I reached the 20 day mark on my new soil from when I transplanted them to 3gal pots a while back. This is the point when the nutes in the last soil gave out and told me it was time to repot. So instead of again starving the grow, I brought out the FoxFarms trio and started the regime on the last week of vegging on the chart (we were at 7 weeks of veg at that point) and then when I was switching to flower, we moved to the first week of flower recommendations. Both plants at that time went nuts and were growing significantly each day. After murdering #3 because of its proclivity to swing both directions, I carefully examined the root ball and was very pleased with what I found. There was good thick root growth horizontally in the pot and it extended down with good root development all through the pot. The mass held together nicely and showed no signs of anything funny or alarming to my untrained eyes. It also did not appear to be root bound as there was still plenty of room for the roots to extend in all directions with outside wrapping only apparent at the very bottom.

Water needs have been slowly increasing and this week I noticed another jump. When we first moved to 3gal pots, 3 cups of water was enough to last just about 3 days. This changed to 2 days and then this last week, I saw the remaining plant use up 3 cups in 36 hours. It seems to be going in spurts now, and I am monitoring closely. I have also increased the water given to about 1 quart, hoping to get back to a 2-3 day water cycle. This of course is without runoff either... and I plan on this next watering which will be a non-nute watering to see just what amount it takes before I get runoff... but I am betting that it is very close to what I am now giving. We shall see. I dare say that I am starting to get a feel for her needs just by looking and checking my soil moisture level.

Ok.. enough of this. I am sure you want to see pictures. Right now I can count 45 bud sights that have or will soon hit the canopy. There are probably 20 more that might raise up. She is going to be a monster. She is filling 23% of the screen now and I expect her to reach 30-45% by the end of the second week of flowering when her stretching period ends. We shall see! Have I told you that this is fun? If not, it is!

Here we go... SCRog porn !!!

First, under the skirts...



And then, from the top...


I am not as much of a bondage expert as some around here seem to be , but its not looking too bad!

Enjoy,
Emmie

[tikiroom]

Where's the pics at? :wtf:

[gypski]

this is so gay

it was just inclined to swing that way.

!!! :lol5: that plant looks like one of mine!! Great job with what you ended up with. :greenthumb:

Hello my faithful readers, today finds me wanting to do an update and fill you all in. I hope this day finds you happy and healthy. :thumbsup:

As you can see from my title, I have switched to flowering. After 5 days of this, #3 finally declared itself... yes, WW was right and it was a hermie right out of the seed. This was NOT stress induced; it was just inclined to swing that way. It was very interesting seeing this on my first grow. I have been blessed with good things to see as I learn my new hobby.

So, we are down to 1 plant. Our original #2 has turned out to be a wonderful girl and I will show you soon how she is doing. She went under the SCRog screen a couple of weeks back and we started learning how to do the initial training. All in all, after being corrected to put the screen horizontal things have gone very well. There were a few lessons along the way though...

The discussion earlier about the hormones that cause the lower branches to accelerate their growth was very enlightening. Sure enough, once the screen went horizontal and I nightly took care to make sure the main cola was lower than the tallest lower growth, this thing took off. All the lower branches started growing rapidly, and within a week all had reached the canopy level. So, next time I am going to start training in the veg tent to start this branching out from the bottom. This time in my naivet'e I thought, "I don't need to train them early with LST techniques, I am planning on doing a FIM and later the SCRog where they will get plenty of training." Yep... sure.... :stoned:

First off... the FIM didn't work so well. I guess I took too much. I also FIM'ed #3 and definitely got 4 main colas as a result. This girl, not so much. She stunted at the top for quite a while as a result of my evisceration and then slowly built back up a single cola at the top. Hmm... it wasn't supposed to do that.

My efforts did result in stimulating the side growth, but not without a severe stunting of about a week while she just looked at me with her stupid haircut and said, "Really? I mean... Really?" Next grow, I'm FIMing at the 4th node like is recommended. Then when they get near screen height I am going to tie them down... well before we head for the flowering tent.

You might remember that I took clones. Well... at first, that went very well. I had 3 out of 4 that were looking good after 10 days and I saw signs of roots in one of them at the bottom of the starter pot. I decided it was time to repot them into party cups. That was going well until I had a horrible accident. Somehow I caught my tray on my sleeve and tumbled the whole thing, cups, totally shocked new clones and soil all over the floor. Egads. I tried to save them. It looks like 1 is going to survive. grrrr. I will be treating #2 as a valuable mother at the end of this grow and will be sending her back in to veg after harvest. I guess in the remaining 8 weeks of this grow I am going to start a few more beans and see what we get out of the free seeds that came with this order. This might just be very interesting too.

The other big thing that has changed is that I reached the 20 day mark on my new soil from when I transplanted them to 3gal pots a while back. This is the point when the nutes in the last soil gave out and told me it was time to repot. So instead of again starving the grow, I brought out the FoxFarms trio and started the regime on the last week of vegging on the chart (we were at 7 weeks of veg at that point) and then when I was switching to flower, we moved to the first week of flower recommendations. Both plants at that time went nuts and were growing significantly each day. After murdering #3 because of its proclivity to swing both directions, I carefully examined the root ball and was very pleased with what I found. There was good thick root growth horizontally in the pot and it extended down with good root development all through the pot. The mass held together nicely and showed no signs of anything funny or alarming to my untrained eyes. It also did not appear to be root bound as there was still plenty of room for the roots to extend in all directions with outside wrapping only apparent at the very bottom.

Water needs have been slowly increasing and this week I noticed another jump. When we first moved to 3gal pots, 3 cups of water was enough to last just about 3 days. This changed to 2 days and then this last week, I saw the remaining plant use up 3 cups in 36 hours. It seems to be going in spurts now, and I am monitoring closely. I have also increased the water given to about 1 quart, hoping to get back to a 2-3 day water cycle. This of course is without runoff either... and I plan on this next watering which will be a non-nute watering to see just what amount it takes before I get runoff... but I am betting that it is very close to what I am now giving. We shall see. I dare say that I am starting to get a feel for her needs just by looking and checking my soil moisture level.

Ok.. enough of this. I am sure you want to see pictures. Right now I can count 45 bud sights that have or will soon hit the canopy. There are probably 20 more that might raise up. She is going to be a monster. She is filling 23% of the screen now and I expect her to reach 30-45% by the end of the second week of flowering when her stretching period ends. We shall see! Have I told you that this is fun? If not, it is!

Here we go... SCRog porn !!!

First, under the skirts...



And then, from the top...


I am not as much of a bondage expert as some around here seem to be , but its not looking too bad!

Enjoy,
Emmie

[emilya]

Where's the pics at? :wtf:

oops... my bad...
I think I know what I did wrong. Lets see if this fixes it...

SCRog porn, take two...

[canniwhatsis]

That is looking awesome Emmy! :thumbsup:


I like to keep training my new growth under the screen until I start getting little bud points, (about the size of a pencil eraser) Then I let it go UP, my typical result is a cola about 4" tall above the screen that turns sideways just below it. :hippy:


Looks like you've got about 10-15 main growing top bud points there,.... each of those should be about like This in just another short 8 weeks :S5: (Pic was Vannilluna done in SCROG )

[rattlingdags]

My efforts did result in stimulating the side growth, but not without a severe stunting of about a week while she just looked at me with her stupid haircut and said, "Really? I mean... Really?"

LOL! Reminded me of my first effort at fimming which was worse. The poor thing ended up with 2 tops flanked by 2 pathetically mutilated half fan leaves.
#2's looking fab under her scrog bondage. She's grown into quite the monster :thumbsup:

[WashougalWonder]

looking good. Sounding good. Must be great

[trejedy]

"Note the Red Spots - FEMALE"

"Another MALE"

Emmie

This worries me because I don't see the red spots to which you are referring and I am raising WW, about 3.5 weeks in, on which I see no red spots at all. They are feminizd seeds from Nir...a reputable NL firm, shall we say.

Also, and this is as an aside in case anyone reads this, I am growing them under LED and in the day times putting them outside in the sun (it's about 75 where I am). Is this going to mess them up as far as their diurnal rhythm? I thought that what the LED isn't giving them (24 hour cycle right now with 6 hours in the sun and the rest under the LED lamp in a mylar tent with good fan wind) the sun could give them a boost. I did this at first just with a couple of them whose roots I had slaughtered by over watering the first 2 weeks. They are leafing out, but at this time kind of look like umbrellas. I don't want to confuse the little darlings by over loving them, I have great ambitions for their future success.

I really enjoy the grow journals on this site, and yours is both through and explicit which I find very helpful. Thanks to you and to the commenters.

Peace

[emilya]

This worries me because I don't see the red spots to which you are referring and I am raising WW, about 3.5 weeks in, on which I see no red spots at all. They are feminizd seeds from Nir...a reputable NL firm, shall we say.

Also, and this is as an aside in case anyone reads this, I am growing them under LED and in the day times putting them outside in the sun (it's about 75 where I am). Is this going to mess them up as far as their diurnal rhythm? I thought that what the LED isn't giving them (24 hour cycle right now with 6 hours in the sun and the rest under the LED lamp in a mylar tent with good fan wind) the sun could give them a boost. I did this at first just with a couple of them whose roots I had slaughtered by over watering the first 2 weeks. They are leafing out, but at this time kind of look like umbrellas. I don't want to confuse the little darlings by over loving them, I have great ambitions for their future success.

I really enjoy the grow journals on this site, and yours is both through and explicit which I find very helpful. Thanks to you and to the commenters.

Peace

Never fear Trejedy... the red spot and trunk thing is simply a theory that was given to us by WW and is certainly not 100% accurate. Just keep raising your babies the best you can and sometime in the future they will reveal their sex to you. Our theory there looked like it was 100% accurate at one time, but if you read closely you will see that we had #4 dead wrong... the reddest one of the bunch, was clearly male. Also #3 fooled us and was both male and female, a true hermaphrodite. The one that was proven most accurate was our #1. He was all green and all male and had all the classic indicators... grew fastest, matured first etc. Trust me on this though... if you keep a close watch on your plants, the sex will become apparent before it becomes a crisis and you will have time to get them out of the flowering room. Keep calm my friend. The best advice I have ever gotten here on this forum was from our Rusty Trichome and I now pass it down to you... patience above all else.

Regarding your light and moving in and out of the house: I don't think that the light is going to be an issue right now since you are not letting them think that the end of the season is coming with a shortening of the light cycle. I doubt that this is an issue. I would however take special precautions as to stressing the plants in other ways with all this moving about. I know it sounds silly, but I did it with my clones... don't drop them! Sunlight has to be good for them, but that sort of defeats the purpose of having a big grow light doesn't it? Part of the reason that we can grow such amazing plants indoors is because we can control everything, light, temp, humidity and in that closed environment we can guard against things such as molds and funguses and pests. I would worry more that with the outside exposure that you also may attract pests such as spider mites and end up bringing them indoors with you. For that reason alone I would trust my lighting system to provide and keep them inside... but that's just me. I am convinced that given the right spectrum of light with a strong enough flux density, plants can thrive even better than under direct sunlight. I will say that I am convinced that used correctly, a good t5 high output florescent system can provide what the plants need to thrive, and I know that there are many who argue that LED systems can do the same. Experts may disagree with me on this, and I am of course no expert with half a grow under my belt. I invite you to start a new thread asking that question... not everyone reads my little grow log here you know.

Good luck with your grow...

Also, as long as I am here today.... here is some SCRog porn!

Emmie

[Rusty Trichome]

The best advice I have ever gotten here on this forum was from our Rusty Trichome and I now pass it down to you... patience above all else.

Aww, shucks...

here is some SCRog porn!
Emmie

Much better than the last porn I was exposed to... :thumbsup:

Switching light spectrums is not recommended. In my opinion, keeping them under (proper) lights and on a timer would net much better results, and plants generally need an acclimation time when the enviornmental conditions change. A couple of other examples of enviornmental changes would include transplant shock, daytime temps that overheat and chill the plants, ph swings, changing nutrients mid-stream...