Emmies Grow Log - White Widow

[rattlingdags]

Reading Emmie's log is one of the fun parts of my day. Its so refreshing to read from a new grower that is interested in the science of growing, the compexities of genetics and has the enthusiasm/intelligence to absorb what she reads and put it into action.
Such a change from newbie questions of: how many hundreds of plants can I grow under 1000's W lights, or how many onzes can I get from a plant under a 30W bulb.

[WashougalWonder]

Emmie, personally I think #4 is/has been male all the way....it always looked different than the others. I do not think it will be a source to get feminized seeds. Remember a theory only becomes fact after thousands of tests, and so far you are the only one who has bothered to test the theory.

Actually I am glad Rusty questions the theory. That is what makes this forum so good. I question my own theory. Still do even after all this, as I have some unpublished info I am still working on showing me it may be just a fluke or strain related.

I pick my best plant out of a set of seeds and only continue that one plant with cloning. In the beginning, that means you have to be able to identify each individual. Once harvested and cured, then you know which is the best albeit for the growth pattern and type of effect from the plant that you prefer. Then you toss all the rest and just keep cloning. You want seeds, you stress it with light and get some pollen and make your seeds.

Ya nothing wrong with asking about other stuff to learn, it all adds up eventually and comes together in a nice package.

[Rusty Trichome]

I tried to let this drop, but as the day drags on here this comment just keeps demanding that I respond:

I assumed that was what I was doing here, learning to grow... excuse me for allowing myself to think that I might be able to learn a few more advanced things before my time.

It wasn't the statement that made you respond...it was your opinion of the content that made you answer. Again...learn the basics, then learn the advanced. You can't learn trigonometry till you learn to add. You can't tune the engine till you know where the hell the engine block is, and you can't optimize your results until you know the basics. You are inexperienced and as such your assumptions have been off base.

I value the experience and knowledge you bring to this table, but please never tell me what questions I am allowed to ask.
Emmie

Apparently you only value the experience and knowledge, if the responder blows smoke up your butt telling you what a fine job you're doing. I'm not that kind of guy. And did you make-up the part where I said not to ask questions...or is that just you making shit up as you go along...? :wtf:

If you wish to attempt breeding, go for it. You might just pull it off. But if you are unfamiliar with troubleshooting techniques, (or proper watering techniques, or nutrients and their schedules...) you are putting the cart before the horse.

Also, when you make statements like the one I highlighted below, I fell the resultant anger from you is misguided. You haven't a clue yet as to the difficulties of proper breeding and you have no idea the heartache of screwing-up your genetics. Which, by the way, can cost you more than a couple of months of heartache because all of a sudden your seedlings aren't growing right.

just to clear up any confusion...

The exciting thing here for me as a new grower is the situation I now find myself in. If I have a switched female and he is now producing pollen, and I then take that pollen back to my mother and produce seeds, does this not produce feminized seeds? Talk about turning a negative into a positive!:thumbsup:

Emmie

Not only can you screw-up this grow, you can screw-up successive seed genetics.
I have never said you (or anyone else on CanCom) couldn't ask questions. It wasn't a question that caught my eye here, it was your statement above that threw-up a big, red flag.

Any moron can apply pollen to a pistil. Hell, it doesn't even take a moron...But it takes time and a knowledge of your plants to keep from risking fatal errors. This is why I think you should allow yourself more experience before you screw yourself out of a successful learning experience.
Be careful throwing pollen around and operating under the assumption that that's all there is to breeding. Your yields and your genetics will suffer.

Instead of getting your panties in a wad...had you asked...most any gardener in here would likely guide you through the first attempt or two at breeding...but it looks like you've got a handle on things and you can "ego" your way through the fog of ignorance. Good luck with that.

[emilya]

Emmie, personally I think #4 is/has been male all the way....it always looked different than the others. I do not think it will be a source to get feminized seeds. Remember a theory only becomes fact after thousands of tests, and so far you are the only one who has bothered to test the theory.

Actually I am glad Rusty questions the theory. That is what makes this forum so good. I question my own theory. Still do even after all this, as I have some unpublished info I am still working on showing me it may be just a fluke or strain related.

I pick my best plant out of a set of seeds and only continue that one plant with cloning. In the beginning, that means you have to be able to identify each individual. Once harvested and cured, then you know which is the best albeit for the growth pattern and type of effect from the plant that you prefer. Then you toss all the rest and just keep cloning. You want seeds, you stress it with light and get some pollen and make your seeds.

Ya nothing wrong with asking about other stuff to learn, it all adds up eventually and comes together in a nice package.

Thank you WW. It is a new day. It has stopped snowing and it might just melt enough to allow me to get to school on Monday. I am in a much better mood.

Here I sit looking around at the couple of thousand $$'s of stuff I have put together to grow my garden. At the moment, in the middle of this two tent laboratory of growing I have 4 plants. It looks like I have 1 female and 3 males. I have lots of space and equipment, a curious mind, and essentially one active plant. I need a project, and my intensely curious mind tends to find them. So I ask questions. I reach out and I grow. I learn.

I still go back to three things here. I feel confident that I might be able to find some lab room and available time to be able to follow through with the experiment. We start by following up the loose ends we have created in our original experiment to prove that early sexing by color works. I feel that already this theory has proven itself to me, but there are a few questions that have been raised.

• First, out of 4 plants, I got 3 males. This is outside the normal curve and makes me start to wonder if I have become part of the experiment. I know that this bad luck happens (and bet that it happens a lot to new growers)... but still, it makes me wonder.
• The second thing is that #4 according to your theory, was clearly the best representative of what a female should have looked like. She was a beautiful deep red all along the main stem and was one of them you felt confident about, or at least as much as you could through a picture.
  
• And the third thing is that for whatever reason, #4 was stunted all along and all of the stress on this poor plant could have caused a transformation in sexual expression. Not likely... but the theory is there that it could happen.

These three things tell my logical mind that there is a chance... however slight, that #4 genetically is a female.

It's not going to be that hard to find out if this is true by keeping the experiment going a bit longer. As an added benefit, Emmie learns to clone, practices keeping good records and notes on the grow, gets to use all this fancy equipment laying around here, and best of all... continues to get all you old experts talking to her about growing stuff. It don't get better than this.

Big hugs... everyone have a great day!
Emmie

[emilya]

I have never said you (or anyone else on CanCom) couldn't ask questions. It wasn't a question that caught my eye here, it was your statement above that threw-up a big, red flag.

Just what was I stating?
I quote myself:

The exciting thing here for me as a new grower is the situation I now find myself in. If I have a switched female and he is now producing pollen, and I then take that pollen back to my mother and produce seeds, does this not produce feminized seeds? Talk about turning a negative into a positive!

I see here 2 statements, and a question. I'm not sure which statement you are upset with.

If it is instead the question that you are having issues with, please stop yelling at me about my attempts to do breeding and explain. I see lots of warnings and statements as to my competence and personality, but I see nothing to answer my original question.

Rusty... I want to be friends. I am not trying to be egotistical or think that I can do this alone. I make wrong assumptions because I am new... and I do it in public on this forum because I am inviting experts like you to come in and teach me. (and those who read this thread in the future) I want you to embrace my curiosity, and help me to learn... not tell me and all the future readers that they are not worthy somehow because of their inexperience to think beyond the box. Yes, experience is the greatest teacher, but please, don't think that all newcomers are the same. Some of us have the time, money and intelligence to actually become great at this. I would love to proudly exclaim that it was you who was one of my greatest teachers if I ever do get good at this.

Emmie

[Dutch Pimp]

everybody play nice.....look!..over there...puppies...:jointsmile:

[tikiroom]

Squirrel!

[GaGrown]

Squirrel!

Talk abut Up a Tree without a nut! Run Squirrel,Run!

[Dutch Pimp]

Talk abut Up a Tree without a nut! Run Squirrel,Run!

where?...where?...no place to run

[GaGrown]

where?...where?...no place to run

That Damn possum looks like he'd eat a squirrel..