Hello Macnasty,

First off, glad that stra8' chimed in with what he is using, and I now appoligize to him along with the 2 billion Chinese I have slandered over the years for producing crap products. Quick OT, the first major light I built was based 1/2 on red Cree's and 1/2 on Chinese diodes....long story short, I got ripped off. May have worked out for me tho, the light became a hybred of red cree and T5 VHO, and has worked better then even planned, for many years now.

Off the shelf lights, I've used Procyon's and Theroreme Innovation's and recently someone who I built a 2'x2' aero tray bought a LumiGrow ES-165 that I've had the pleasure of seeing and playing with. BTW the ES-165 is exactly 1/2 of the ES-330 that they have been selling.

As to the TI Pro blomms, I really like them they have worked very well over various types of grows, well all SOG. The two I bought in Aug08, where "pre-production" units, serial #s in the single digits. When I first set up my aero/fog trays last year I started with just one 4'x4' tray and the 2 TIs. They are tied mechanically together (covering abt 2'x2') and are on a light rail that moves them back and forth abt 2'. Worked so well that when the 2nd tray went in we considered other newer lights (like LumiGrow) especially because the newer TIs had different housings. Plus I was turned off by an idiot here that was humping LumiGrow, even tho he didn't use them or grew anything. Anyway abt 6 months ago had an opportunity to get 2 more TIs for a good price so now they are tied together and run on the same light rail. So 4- TIs cover 2 4'x4' trays and I can honestly say they better 2 1kw HPS and currently match 2 1kw PSMH for growth and finished product.

I had been interested in the ES-330 from it's introduction, but a little turned off by said humper here, plus I could not get an answer from them abt light energy they put out, in terms of umoles/s. Recently like I mentioned a friend bought a ES-165 for a small 2'x2' set up. Since he is using the tray to root cuttings, then veg and finally flower the LumiGrow with it's variable red/blue controls has worked out perfectly for him. They are well made, work like I beleive they should and produce a fine product.

I just did a little math (forgive me Weezard, he can explain my title) and it seems that 660w of TIs cover 16sqft or abt 41.25 w/sqft. The 165w of LG cover 4sqft for, guess what...41.25 w/sqft. Using this concept then your 4x6 area or 24 sqft would require 990w of good LED. That may be a budget buster.

BTW glad to see you grow SOG size plants, I think there aren't many here that do. I see you are in Canada, if you deal with TI you don't have to go thru the NAFTA paper work where as LumiGrow is Cali based and you may have to. Not sure how it works on your side of the border, but for me to comply with NAFTA rules I must provide a bussiness ID # or a personal social security number, and I've bought a metric shit load of incriminating stuff from Canada.
OM
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