Thanks for the responses, and the welcome. I now live in a more residential area than i did in my younger days. I do not have the time or inclination to go to the woods. I can't use the back yard because of close neighbors. I do have a spare room, however I have 4 cats and 2 dogs. On top of this momma would not want me to use the entire room for growing. I'm looking for something on a smaller scale that will fill our needs and that of a few friends. I will try and contact Zandor, thanks for the tip. Remember don't tip it, and the carb hole is on the bottom.