The sad thing is that most of us old timers were always nonviolent tokers. And I think that was the great part of the community. But as times have changed its forcing non violent people to have to resort to violence. I'm an avid gun owner my entire life and have had to pull my gun twice for self preservation. I have nor had to fire it yet in self defense and I hope I never have to but it see,s with the way things are going its going to be inevitable.