Got robbed yesterday on a delivery

[Zugunruhe]

its a shame you got ripped off man, thats really a bummer.

but to all those people saying he should have been carrying a gun, thats not a good solution. if he had had a gun, we would have been reading in the newspaper today that marijuana caused the deaths of 2-5 people because a transaction went wrong and people started shooting wildly. thats really not the type of atmosphere we need to cultivate with marijuana. treat it like it's a respectable medical substance, not an elicit drug. then people will have a more positive image of marijuana, and we will get closer to legalization.

[OhNoYaDont]

My wife and I also have permits to carry. And we do.

I asked my atty once what about the worse case ... should I carry if I'm delivering, etc. He said that if what I am doing is legal, then defending myself is not illegal. Doing something illegal and COMPOUNDING it with a firearm is a very bad thing. But, doing something legal and DEFENDING yourself or a family member if you fear that your life is in danger or you are in danger of being severely injured is not, in and of itself, illegal.

Very few people even know I'm armed. I don't brag about it, or wave it around, etc. I have only had to point it at another human once in my life, and I've carried for decades. In that situation the aggressor backed down - just in time. I retreated. It upset me greatly as I had a spot picked out center chest; and was in the process of squeezing when he backed away. I truely believed it may have saved my life.

I kind of like rattlesnakes. I like the way they conduct themselves. They mind their own business, warn you not to mess with them, and defend themselves with deadly force only if necessary.

Don't tread on me.

[GetThisOrDie]

Great post ohnoyadont.


To all the people who dont support guns like the above post. I bet you will change your mind if you were in a situation with one pointed at you.

It can be explained perfectly when its someone else in the situation. Put yourself in a deadly situation and you will want every advantage possible.

[portlandgrower]

rippoff's are everywhere....got me and my partner for several lb...took our phones and the keys to the truck...got blocked in by three cars...guns were pulled....nightmare....

I live in Portland and it is one of last last chill places in the USA. I feel for you but you should really know who your dealing with. You have to remember times are rough and those few pounds paid rent for a few people. Know who you deal with your lucky your not dead. Plus your in california sell your shit at the clinic.

[death2sukas]

i dont wanna hijack the thread but id like some info on a concealed weapons permit in cali...like where to get one, what do you have to go through to get it and about how much does it cost? i heard a rumor that its $500 per yr. if this is true then im gonna have to wait to do it as i dont have the $ to throw away on a fee right now...

idk if it helps (or if required) but i do have my handgun safety certificate (even though i dont own a handgun currently)...got it earlier this year.

i do own protection legally that i keep at my grow and at my home...for defense against home invasions...and robberies at my grow spot.

you'd think since mj is so widespread in cali now especially with all the 215 and even the attention prop 19 generated that robbers would be less of a factor but its just the opposite...its gotten worse.

in my opinion its illegal dealers trying to capitalize off of 215 by simply answering an add offline...meeting up with them...and robbing them.

i think i/we need to follow a routine my buddy uses and he's never ran into any issues with robbers...at least not successful attempts...

my friend works through CL and has to meet strangers all the time who claim they have a card...im pretty sure he pre-verifys even though i didnt bother to ask.

anyway what he does at transaction time is never give the robber a chance to rob you. if this makes sense...you'll need either a friend w/ u or to meet far from where you park your car...

he meets with buyer in a public place.
shows buyer a sample of what he's getting (he said he brings a few grams to them upfront to show them).

then if the buyer is interested he takes buyers money...walks off...

5 mins later comes with w/o the money but with the buds...

gives buds to buyer...

walks away.


he just told me this yesterday and its made me wonder about using this method. he said it works for him. id assume that by doing business this way it cuts down on the chances someone will successfully rob you because they aren't in a position to have the $$$ and the buds in reach at the same time...

worst case scenario is he gets off with the few gram sample...no biggie.

i wanted to try this but wanted someone else's opinon first..

[OhNoYaDont]

CCW in California is up to the local top cop. It can be issued by DA's, Chief of Police or Sherriff, (or a judge I suppose). In my area, the Chief of Police has issued about five permits in his career. The Sherriff has issued THOUSANDS AND THOUSANDS. I'd be willing to bet that one out of five of our citizens are armed at any given time. Result? We are polite to each other, and have a very low crime rate.

Our sherrif believes that a person who is trained and is not a criminal should be able to defend himself. He requires a two day course in safety and legal use of deadly force - and a four hour refresher every two years. A DOJ background check, fingerprints, and an interview with one of his officers. The first permit takes about three months all total, costs about $500 total. Two year renewals cost about $120 after that.

We are a relatively rural and large county (Shasta County), and there may be as few as two patrol cars to cover thousands of square miles. I may have to fend for myself for an hour before police assistance can even get to me code 3. An hour's worth of ammo ...

The short answer to your question: it is up to the top cop in your area. You need to call and ask. If you live in a socialist utopia area (Berkeley, San Francisco, Oakland) there is NO way you are going to be allowed to harm some poor guy that's trying to rape you - he may have had a bad childhood after all ... but, my permit from Shasta County is good anywhere in California - even Berkeley. Though I can't imagine why I'd want to go there.

[anotherjeff]

http://www.co.shasta.ca.us/Sheriff/F...tion.sflb.ashx

[Akumasensei85]

I remember when I had got my first apartment, it was awesome! I was in the house sleep, I guess some dick thought he would be funny and break in. well I was sleeping in my living room I heard my lock on my door turn I reached under my couch grabbed my shot gun, just has he came in, he went out asap. I put a slug in his sternum. I watched him get up slowly and stumble down the stairs. I was terrified! I actually shot a man. After about 2minutes time passed I snapped back into reality and and followed him. To my amazement this dude took off his vest and ditched it. He was my landlord! So I took another shot at him. Missed my stock just broke and my shoulder got dislocated. I watch him hit a alleyway that I was to familiar with, it connected to my back window. I ran back in the house grabbed my .45 and exited my back window there we saw each other, he shouted he was sorry. I told him to lay down and put his hands behind his back and called the police. lol they came and saw what I had instead and arrested me! Of course I don't have a license to conceal and carry. I got out but I pressed charges on him. Bummer a blue chrome .45 I got from my granddad. I'll never see again.

[anotherjeff]

http://www.co.shasta.ca.us/Sheriff/F...tion.sflb.ashx

The purchase of a firearm requires the applicant to swear that they are not users of illegal drugs, including Cannabis. You either lie, or you can't buy a gun.

I'm pleased to see that our Sheriff is not asking those kind of questions.

[oldhaole]

The short answer to your question: it is up to the top cop in your area. You need to call and ask. If you live in a socialist utopia area (Berkeley, San Francisco, Oakland) there is NO way you are going to be allowed to harm some poor guy that's trying to rape you - he may have had a bad childhood after all ... but, my permit from Shasta County is good anywhere in California - even Berkeley. Though I can't imagine why I'd want to go there.

First off to the OP

I'm glad nobody got hurt. If you were armed, who knows?

I live in one of those social utopias. CCP's are almost impossible to get. On the good side a fellon with a firearm is an automatic 5. No parole.

In our utopia, if someone it threating you, and you are in fear for your life, at home, ie. rape you.... that's a good shoot. Empty the gun.

On the other hand, if somebody is in your crop, you can't just blaze away til you hit them...you will go to jail.

Over the years I've been ripped off many times. Always give someone enough rope to hang themselves. Small amounts.

And yes, I have had a gun pointed at me. If I had a gun, and the chance to use, it I would not have. It just isn't worth killing for. Its a Plant. I can make more. I knew as soon as I handed it to him he was gone. Cops caught him hours later.

And then there is satisfaction. I live on an Island. You can hide, but you can't run. There is nothing like the look of realization, on some idiot that ripped you off's face, when you false crack them, while they are sitting at a stoplight in Kahalui.