Experiments with making equatorial breeds flower

[WashougalWonder]

Ok, many know of this and SuperJay had a question in the basic growing section. I think this is super advanced stuff and doesn't belong in the normal location.

Now we have discussed my situation in several posts, but a brief synopsis is in merit regarding full understanding of this. SuperJay also found that even after extended period of time with an apparent landrace (mine for sure is landrace) Thai, that even tho it shows flowers it will not bud over an extended period of time...in my case 10 weeks.

I am going to dedicate a special spot to work this out, but it seems that SuperJay is in a better position to begin the experimentation. He is already at 12/12 whereas I am at 18/6.

As Weezard and OH, and a few others have mentioned, it needs to be a gradual light change, not a poof change. My research indicated a light change of 3 minutes per day average with the cycle being either side of a 13/11 cycle.

SuperJay I suggest you slowly move up to 13 hours, stay there for at least a month, then move down slowly over 3 months to 11 hours. That is what my experiment will be when I get my area set up and lighting timer in place. But because of the gradual, I think I will slowly go down from where I am at 18/6 to 13 and hold for a while and then decrease again to 11. The buds were never plump like buds now-a-days, which I am not sure if that was due to wild growth or if we can enhance that as we learn how to make this species produce an end result.

Did you get your seeds from Gypsy Nirvana, the GN Collection? That is what I am working with.

Any and all types of growing information is welcome, but I am in pots in potting soil, indoors, under HID lamps trying to make an equatorial Thai landrace flower enough to have a harvest.

My timer will only go in 15 minute increments, so once a week or so I will adjust the time by 15 minutes.

Many thanks to the folks that have responded in the other threads regarding this topic. Time to put the knowledge in one place.

WashougalWonder Reviewed by WashougalWonder on 12-04-2010. Experiments with making equatorial breeds flower Ok, many know of this and SuperJay had a question in the basic growing section. I think this is super advanced stuff and doesn't belong in the normal location. Now we have discussed my situation in several posts, but a brief synopsis is in merit regarding full understanding of this. SuperJay also found that even after extended period of time with an apparent landrace (mine for sure is landrace) Thai, that even tho it shows flowers it will not bud over an extended period of time...in my Rating: 5

[Weezard]

I won't miss a word of it.
Mahalo nui!:thumbsup:

Weeze

[oldmac]

Nice idea 'Wonder putting it all together.

I wasn't sure to chime in on Landrace Thai, but having grown it I can tell you this, I never tried to grow it indoors. Normally in a field it's a 15meter plant, or 14'-16'.

When I've grown it for seeds, I would start it indors, using a vertical growth inhitibtor. Then I'd move it early in the outdoor season to my greenhouse (which only has a little over 8' flloor to top clearence) again dosing with VGI and ususally finishing just below glass top level, 1/2 of what it grows outdoors.

But because it's normal light level is 11-13hrs daily it can grow and flower at 12/12 for a long time. I think oldhole pointed this out before.

I've included a link to an enviro chart, so you get a better idea of temps both day/night and amount of light, etc. yearly. This is of Udon Than, located in the NE of Thailand. The best Thai stick is grown here. :thumbsup:

http://www.CLIMATE-CHARTS.com/LOCATIOONS/T/th48354.PHP

Hope it helps.
OM

Just realized in trying the link, it did not hold the Udon page, you will have to just seach thru the home page.

[superjay]

thanks for the new tread washougal wonder and such a big response in just a few hours peeps :thumbsup: i will be workin the method given straight away as i have seen grows before and never known a plant to flower so slowly, i also have done a little reserch into various thai strains and have found that the earliest one could be ready is 56days into flower and the longest being upto 126days yes 18 weeks , i couldnt beleive what i was reading lol lets just hope mine dont take that long.
i cant really tell you about the strain as was just taken from the bag i had one day but the buzz i had totally changed my mind about thai as it was proper heavy heady high but on the reverse i could still go about my day and get jobs done .
i really didnt expect the plant to grow so big so quick either as turned from 18/6 at 15inch apx and now are easily 3ft+ and if they keep going at the rate they are im going to have to cull 3 and keep 3 as my closet seems to have shrunk loads, im currently using 600wt hps bulb plants in pots with soil and my nuets are ionic flower and bloom every other water the smell it gives now is really fresh and well just beautiful. hope this helps and i havent just babbled on and once again thanks for the info :thumbsup:

[gypski]

Nice idea 'Wonder putting it all together.

I wasn't sure to chime in on Landrace Thai, but having grown it I can tell you this, I never tried to grow it indoors. Normally in a field it's a 15meter plant, or 14'-16'.

When I've grown it for seeds, I would start it indors, using a vertical growth inhitibtor. Then I'd move it early in the outdoor season to my greenhouse (which only has a little over 8' flloor to top clearence) again dosing with VGI and ususally finishing just below glass top level, 1/2 of what it grows outdoors.

But because it's normal light level is 11-13hrs daily it can grow and flower at 12/12 for a long time. I think oldhole pointed this out before.

I've included a link to an enviro chart, so you get a better idea of temps both day/night and amount of light, etc. yearly. This is of Udon Than, located in the NE of Thailand. The best Thai stick is grown here. :thumbsup:

http://www.CLIMATE-CHARTS.com/LOCATIOONS/T/th48354.PHP

Hope it helps.
OM

Just realized in trying the link, it did not hold the Udon page, you will have to just seach thru the home page.

I'd love to see a 49.212'-15 meter plant in a field. It would be reminiscent of Jack and the Bean Stalk. :S2: Just ribbing OM.

[oldhaole]

So that said, I would drop it to 13/11 now. One crack. I don't think doing that will have any effect on her. The slower you do that first drop, the bigger the plant will get.

After you get stabilized at 13/11, for a few weeks, then comes the slow change.

Like OM, I've grown these puppies outside, and they get big. Stupid big. Unless you have a lot of space, for these plants to grow into, I wouldn't want to doddle around going from 18/6 to 13/11.

If it's not asking too much, do a log of this project. I wish you the best and would like to see how it goes.

[WashougalWonder]

OH - This thread is going to sorta be the grow log.
OM - I appreciate all information available.
SJ - I think anything that matures in 56 days is a crossbred Thai.

So, lets fill ya in on my area. I will do this with a single 400 MH under a vertizontal fixture. The power supply is switchable so I can go to HPS at just a bulb change. Main flower room is on 12/12 for now. No nutes in veg, will give molasses, Ultra Snowstorm, and phosphoload in flower as needed.

I already know how big this gets inside, and I think LST will be the way to grow. Again, pots and FF OF. The hardest part will be the repotting after it starts to get big, and I don't like over large pots that the water can sink to the bottom and stagnate, so I do lots of repotting. Will start with one plant at 1 foot.

OM - I use VGI at times. Will it effect going into full flower if I give it in veg? Use after flower show? (I use phosphoload).

OH - As soon as I can get the room ready, will do a sudden drop.

Room size will be 5x8x8 (WxLxH) and dedicated to this plant for now.

[TANKJR]

Yea, WW, I'm tagging along for the ride just to see what happens. Gotta love the peeps willing to document an experiment! Or even the ones willing to experiment! Good Luck, I hope it's successful! :thumbsup:

[truepunk87]

I'm in. This will be a great learning experience, and I like to learn as much as I can.:hippy:

[superjay]

just a quick update as now my 6 have become 3 purely because of the size that they are growing at, been running at 13/11 now for 4 days and still no change not that i expected it lol still getting a fem look about them then next day just new leaves so lets just hope the next 10 days go quick so i can get these babys blooming