1st grow 12/12 from start outdoors. Please help me save it

[elmim1]

This little girl has been having some problems the last few days, i'm thinking rootbound issues as I underestimated her going in and put her in a 2.5 gallon when she started flowering. I found her like this after skipping out on her for about five days ( I usually water every 4) Soil was bone dry, and the middle leaves were yellow. Some had fallen off. Also they are just main fan leaves that are experiencing this yellowing, nodes seem perfectly healthy. I mixed some nitrogen into my nutes and they've gotten a tiny but better but no remarkable difference. What do you guys think is wrong? Should I transplant? Please help me save my pride and joy!!


Also I know i have some major bug problems, mostly harmless leaf miners. I was spraying pyrethrin but have layed off lately. Next grow im gonna add some imid from the start.

+ rep to anyone with a word of advice

o strain is mako haze sativa dom btw

elmim1 Reviewed by elmim1 on 11-28-2010. 1st grow 12/12 from start outdoors. Please help me save it This little girl has been having some problems the last few days, i'm thinking rootbound issues as I underestimated her going in and put her in a 2.5 gallon when she started flowering. I found her like this after skipping out on her for about five days ( I usually water every 4) Soil was bone dry, and the middle leaves were yellow. Some had fallen off. Also they are just main fan leaves that are experiencing this yellowing, nodes seem perfectly healthy. I mixed some nitrogen into my nutes and Rating: 5

[elmim1]

What is your experience level? (first timer
Your Equipment:
.4) Is there a consistent fresh air supply?yes
.5) Do you have an exhaust fan and a circulation fan? no

Your medium:
.7) Specific brand and type of soil, and anything you've added to it. pure peat, some added perlite
.8) Size of container. 2.5 gallons
.9) Did you use peat pucks (or similar) to root clones or germinate seedlings? not sure what that is

Your nutrients and water:
10) Source of water? (tap, bottled or filtered) What's it's ph before adjusting? tap water usually pretty neutral, not really having problems with my other plants
11) Method of checking water ph. aquarium test kit...)
12) Method of adjusting water ph. i have some garden lime mixed in soil, and havent really had to adjust my water ph anyway
13) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule. advanced nutrients micro grow bloom i'v been pretty much ballparking my dosages lately
14) How often are you watering between feedings, and how much per watering? water every 4 days, feed every other watering
16) Are your ph levels stable, or do they fluctuate? stable
17) What is your ingoing water's ph? ...your runoff ph? ill check later
18) Do you foliar feed? If so, with what, how often, and at what time do you spray? no

Your growroom:
19) Indoors or outdoors? out
21) What are the temps and humidity levels while lights are on? ...With lights off? temps are in 70's
22) Have you seen signs of insects in the growroom?i'm dealing with some leaf miners

Your strain:
23) What strain are you growing? Sativa dom mako haze
24) From seeds or clones? seeds
25) Is this an autoflower strain? no

[Weezard]

This little girl has been having some problems the last few days, i'm thinking rootbound issues as I underestimated her going in and put her in a 2.5 gallon when she started flowering. I found her like this after skipping out on her for about five days ( I usually water every 4) Soil was bone dry, and the middle leaves were yellow. Some had fallen off. Also they are just main fan leaves that are experiencing this yellowing, nodes seem perfectly healthy. I mixed some nitrogen into my nutes and they've gotten a tiny but better but no remarkable difference. What do you guys think is wrong? Should I transplant? Please help me save my pride and joy!!

You're on-track brah.
Yellowing fan leaves are expected during flower.
When she ran out of water, she "raided" the fans for mobile nutes. (No water = no transport)
The fans are her "emergency stash".

Adding nitrogen during flower is not advised and once raided the fans will not go green again.
Watch the new growth for her condition, and just accept the damage already done.

The good news?
You can stop spraying.
Once the fan leaves "lose their flavor",
the leaf miners lose interest.
They like 'em green.

Also I know i have some major bug problems, mostly harmless leaf miners. I was spraying pyrethrin but have layed off lately. Next grow im gonna add some imid from the start.

+ rep to anyone with a word of advice

o strain is mako haze sativa dom btw

I suggest cutting back the nitrogen and letting her yellow a bit as the buds swell.
Your cured buds will taste much less harsh in the end.:jointsmile:

Nice looking bush!:thumbsup:

Aloha,
Weezard

[MadSativa]

well allot to take in but leaf miners? I looked into leaf miners their mostly like caterpillars from what I can see, which will go into your buds and kill from the inside out. but if you have that under control, should be good. Looked like spider mite damage to me, I would spray for the eggs using neem oil and azatrol, with dish soap or saturator. for the discoloration you need to check Ph going in and Ph coming out so check your runoff, as well as your intake water. looks like you had some nutrient lock out during the earlier time cause the new growth is green but the bottom yellow. this is often seen in using Advanced nutes cause they are so potent. (Advanced growers using AN compensate buy starting or going through the entire grow with half or 3/4 strength) personally I think AN is the best but they need to lower the doses, which they already have but they need to lower them more. Nutrient lock out is caused my over watering and over nutrients, and Ph fluctuation, of soil and water. this is what you need to look into, nutrient up take of your root system and to check this you look at these. Adding nitrogen is not necessary with Advanced nutes. you would be the first in a long line of AN users to do so, the solution to the problem is not ad more nutes but find out why the plant is not taking up nutes, to much is bad too. oh and those yellow leaves if they don't come back and green up cut em off their dead and your plant is trying to keep them alive.
I agree the damage done is done and the rest should finish well. About time for a flush?

[Weezard]

well allot to take in but leaf miners? I looked into leaf miners their mostly like caterpillars from what I can see, which will go into your buds and kill from the inside out.

I have to disagree with that.
Here's the kine that mine cannabis leaves.
"
Vegetable Leafminers. Several Liriomyza species of leafmining flies make long serpentine mines through leaves of flower and vegetable garden plants. Normally these insects are very well controlled by natural enemies and outbreaks are almost always associated with use of insecticides."

Neem is worse than worthless against miners.

Outdoors, let the "leafminer biters: handle it.
It's what they do.
Unless you poison them, that is.
Then the leafminers multiply at an alarming rate.

If you are still concerned, find the end of the trail and thubnail da buggah,
Done!

What you describe, are not leafminers, but budworms, the larve of a moth.
Their poo causes bud rot.

but if you have that under control, should be good. Looked like spider mite damage to me, I would spray for the eggs using neem oil and azatrol, with dish soap or saturator.

To each, his own, but I won't eat or smoke anything with chemicals, soap, or neem on it
Yuck!
In my opinion, taste and quality trump quantity every time.:jointsmile:


for the discoloration you need to check Ph going in and Ph coming out so check your runoff, as well as your intake water. looks like you had some nutrient lock out during the earlier time cause the new growth is green but the bottom yellow. this is often seen in using Advanced nutes cause they are so potent. (Advanced growers using AN compensate buy starting or going through the entire grow with half or 3/4 strength) personally I think AN is the best but they need to lower the doses, which they already have but they need to lower them more. Nutrient lock out is caused my over watering and over nutrients, and Ph fluctuation, of soil and water. this is what you need to look into, nutrient up take of your root system and to check this you look at these. Adding nitrogen is not necessary with Advanced nutes. you would be the first in a long line of AN users to do so, the solution to the problem is not ad more nutes but find out why the plant is not taking up nutes, to much is bad too. oh and those yellow leaves if they don't come back and green up cut em off their dead and your plant is trying to keep them alive.

Again, I have to disagree with;
"your plant is trying to keep them alive."

It's quite the contrary.
Your plant is reclaiming stored energy from them, and she will form an abscission layer, then drop them when she is through with them.
The abscission layer keeps the stem from leaking sap and seals out pathogens. Fresh cuts do not!

It's a natural process and it's best not to interfere.
You will know when she is finished with them.
A very gentle tug will do.
If there is any resistance, give them more time.

I agree the damage done is done and the rest should finish well. About time for a flush?

Now that's not a bad idea!
When a pot has gone dry, chemical nutes can crystallize.
Best to flush a little when you water the very dry ones.
Here's a good use for soap or penetrators, makes a good wetting agent for dry soil.:thumbsup:
Water with a small amount of slightly soapy water.
Don't overdo it.
Then flush well with aerated, PHed water, and you are back on track.

Aloha Y'all

[elmim1]

thanks all. So basically i should just flush? shes still got like a good 2 months to go, so after should i give an equal ratio micro grow bloom like AN suggest, or should i completely cut the nitrogen out, or just cut the grow out and go equal micro and grow? I'm gonna +rep u guys now

edit how do i enable it so i can give rep

[MadSativa]

rep gets enabled at 50 posts. if you just let into flower you should be ok, on the flush but it wouldn't hurt either just let your soil dry then then flush with allot of phed water, ratio is usually 2 or 3 to one where if your growing in a 2 gallon bucket and have 2 gallons for soil then you use 4 or up-wards of 6 gallons of phed water to flush, if you have a flushing agent I would suggest using it, how ever if you don't have some beneficial Bactria's and fungi to add later then just clean phed water and no flushing agent. allot of the flushing agent's can flush out all you pontificals too, but if you have some beneficial then you can add them back later.

as far as the 3 part grow micro and bloom, add the same amount equal parts as it recommends, but use about 3/4 strength or if you went down to 1/2 strength then use that. but add equal parts like the ins ructions say. next time when starting the nutes as they are babies, use less than you started out with, when the tips of the leaves curl up and yellow like that that is nute burn, back off the nute dosage. Advanced lowered their nute dosages about 3 years ago and people still agree they have to lower even more. they are very potent, lol, you would think they would market this and say they last longer or dosages are smaller, but they just let us burn lol, it happens. general rule of thumb is to start out at half nutes though, unless you know the strain and it likes the heavy nutes.

some people don't flush at all only a water only regimen at the end of the grow. but even at the end a flush on the last 2 week mark is good then nothing but phed water to finish them for the last 2 weeks. but AN has over drive for this last 2 weeks as well, but those additives are insanely expensive and most don't use them. but they are good, however you can get cheaper stuff as well, with an exception on the overdrive, that is one of the only products like that. a good one on the cheaper is roots organic beneficial, usually about 12 bucks versus the 160 bucks of AN tarantula and voodoo juice and piranha. not exactly a good estimate but AN will last longer and is better but for the beginner 12 bucks is not bad.