'Atomic Iran' TV Ad Rejected

[amsterdam]

Let them free themselves.

don't be selfish,war is fun.(or so my marine buddy said)

[Sir Smokesalot]

Torog, can,t believe you fear we,ll all fall under the powers of the Chinese,Russian,or Islam! I,m afraid to inform you that we don,t need America,s supervision, and would be happier without it. I,m not anti-american at all and have numerous relatives in USA that agree with my views.But Bush wants to control every country in the world and i for one oppose

[amsterdam]

if we wanted to control your country we could,you know that right?
i swear to god if the chinese invaded your country,you know as well as i do that the leaders of your superior country would BEG,BEG,BEG us to help your poor people.

GET A GRIP YA SHEEP.

[Cannabis.com]

A 150 KT device is quite large and unlikely, but an attack involving smaller "mini-nukes" (~ 5KT or less) is very likely in the next 10 years or so ... my guess sometime around 2013 +/- a couple of years either way.

Mini-nukes physically are not enough to take out a decent city, but tend to be very messy in regards to radiation; larger nukes tend to be "cleaner" relative to their power due to being more efficient.

Digressing a bit, but point is that terror attacks involve nukes are very likely - I for one am surprised such an attack hasn't happened anywhere in the world yet ... one can chalk that up to skill of various law enforcement/spy agencies and in very large part plain 'ol luck.

As far as where the attack would originate from ... a person(s) from the middle east is the most obvious, but an attack from an American(s) is just as likely - the Oklahoma bombing in '95 illustrated that attacks can come from anywhere; some have speculated that the attackers had support from middle easterners - even so, the actual attackers were American.

In regards to the TV ad, I personally feel it's not helpful since the real threat is everywhere - and the solution is the U.S. government respecting the rights of the people, and just importantly NOT developing mini-nukes, since some of them will very likely eventually be used against us by terrorists.

Ron

[Sir Smokesalot]

Let,s all bow down for America!Fuck me i,ve never met such arrogance

[amsterdam]

A 150 KT device is quite large and unlikely, but an attack involving smaller "mini-nukes" (~ 5KT or less) is very likely in the next 10 years or so ... my guess sometime around 2013 +/- a couple of years either way.

Mini-nukes physically are not enough to take out a decent city, but tend to be very messy in regards to radiation; larger nukes tend to be "cleaner" relative to their power due to being more efficient.

Digressing a bit, but point is that terror attacks involve nukes are very likely - I for one am surprised such an attack hasn't happened anywhere in the world yet ... one can chalk that up to skill of various law enforcement/spy agencies and in very large part plain 'ol luck.

As far as where the attack would originate from ... a person(s) from the middle east is the most obvious, but an attack from an American(s) is just as likely - the Oklahoma bombing in '95 illustrated that attacks can come from anywhere; some have speculated that the attackers had support from middle easterners - even so, the actual attackers were American.

In regards to the TV ad, I personally feel it's not helpful since the real threat is everywhere - and the solution is the U.S. government respecting the rights of the people, and just importantly NOT developing mini-nukes, since some of them will very likely eventually be used against us by terrorists.

Ron

did you say 10 years??thats a scary thought.

if they have them,i wonder why they havent hit yet?

[Cannabis.com]

Building a nuke is very hard - consider all the trouble various countries, such as Pakistan, have had building nukes that even work...

Thus in large part, the answer is they, as in "terrorists", likely don't have any.

The U.S. is actively pursuing mini-nukes ... that technology will likely be used against us eventually - to date, the lack of materials and difficult of construction have been barriars - mini-nukes making bridging that gap much easier ... the mere technology to build a working nuke with less fissionable material alone greatly lowers the bar; research into using less commonly used, but more widely available, fissionable materials, such as Neptunium and Americium.

Not all hope is lost - not sure how much effort is going into it, but technologies DO exist to detect various types of nuclear activity (not all of it can be contained; even ordinary, well shielded nuclear reacters have some nuclear emissions) from relatively far distances - even part way around the world!

If such detection methods can be developed/utilized in time, it's likely many potential nuclear attacks can be averted ... thing is though, the U.S. govt has a long record of spending little money/effort on prevention ...

Until something bad happens, it's likely the U.S. govt won't do much - hope I'm wrong, but after seeing what's happened since 911, it's not looking promising - many of the terror laws/resources are being used for various non-terrorist related things, such as raiding medical cannabis clubs, etc.

Ron

[mr chinnery]

I think you're underestimating the skill of western security folk. We don't hear half the shit they prevent because of secrecy requirements. I think we can fairly safely assume that if a backward 3rd world nation like South Korea, or whoever, could ever feasibly build a bomb, they would have. Our nations are out there preventing this shit. A pre-emptive strike would be a catastrophe.

[Torog]

Building a nuke is very hard - consider all the trouble various countries, such as Pakistan, have had building nukes that even work...

Thus in large part, the answer is they, as in "terrorists", likely don't have any.

The U.S. is actively pursuing mini-nukes ... that technology will likely be used against us eventually - to date, the lack of materials and difficult of construction have been barriars - mini-nukes making bridging that gap much easier ... the mere technology to build a working nuke with less fissionable material alone greatly lowers the bar; research into using less commonly used, but more widely available, fissionable materials, such as Neptunium and Americium.

Not all hope is lost - not sure how much effort is going into it, but technologies DO exist to detect various types of nuclear activity (not all of it can be contained; even ordinary, well shielded nuclear reacters have some nuclear emissions) from relatively far distances - even part way around the world!

If such detection methods can be developed/utilized in time, it's likely many potential nuclear attacks can be averted ... thing is though, the U.S. govt has a long record of spending little money/effort on prevention ...

Until something bad happens, it's likely the U.S. govt won't do much - hope I'm wrong, but after seeing what's happened since 911, it's not looking promising - many of the terror laws/resources are being used for various non-terrorist related things, such as raiding medical cannabis clubs, etc.

Ron

Howdy Ron,you make some good points with both of your replies in this thread,I'd rather use prevention,than pre-emptive strikes,I hope that no nukes will ever have to be used against any country-ever again..if possible..settin off a nuke,is like opening the gates of Hell..but I'll be danged,if I'm gonna give up my freedom and submit to nuclear black-mail..just so that we don't use nukes for our self-defense and in defense of the Free World. There comes a time,when ya have to fight for your freedom and life,this is one of those times..sadly,many more folks may have to die..before the nay-sayers against the war on terror,finally understand the enemy that we all face.

I don't like the misuse of homeland security,to shut down medical cannabis clubs,and I don't like some of the other things Bush is doing..but at least,he's got the spine and the guts,to stand up against the terrorists..and that's what we need for now..the path of Kerry and France,is the path of surrender,appeasement and defeat,not just for us..but the Free World,as well.

Have a good one !