would like opinions on seedling light schedule

[ZZTops]

Agreed... One mans Growth is another mans stretch...

Love the Darwin quote GTDoc...:thumbsup:

[oldmac]

Wow, someone was busy doing some research, and that's always a good thing.

Before I go thru all these posts of DGT, I want to appoligize to the OP, mountianview for the clutter created here and hijscking the thread. Hope you don't mind since the thread is now a month old, I think. This topic of 24/0 vs 18/6 has been so beat to death.

I'd also like to thank ZZTops, budlover13, gypski and others for particating in the more interesting parts here or even staying OT. Special thanks to Tikiroom for trying to be a peacemaker.

I don't have a whole lot of fight in me this evening, I spent the afternoon and evening visiting exisiting patients that are in hospice care and a new patient from the cancer group that really has me bummed out. A mid-thirties single mom with 4 young children, ages 5-14 who was just given the diagnosis of pancreatic cancer last week and is to start chemo wed. This put's what is important in perspective.

[oldmac]

Well I am not going to get into a pissing match with ya oldmac, or go into what credentials I have to of made my comment, because on the net, everyone is good looking and highly educated, remember? As for sources, I can simply cite one here on this own website.

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During the day, (Lights ON) the plant is collecting and storing light energy, and is using and storing raw materials. The plant is stockpiling raw material, and is charging itâ??s batteriesâ?¦ it is ALSO using raw materials and using the energy it is collecting. Itâ??s building itself, literally putting itself together.

During the day however, the plant is not as efficient at building itself, as it is at night (lights OFF.) It can build itself, but not as quickly.

While the lights are OFF, the plant is using energy and raw materials to build itselfâ?¦. the plant is more efficiently using the raw materials that it stored during the day. The plant is better at transporting and assembling the raw materials.


I didn't want to over complicate things or go into "Dark Reaction" but if you want more technical references, here is a good read:

PHOTOSYNTHESIS

GTD

The quote that you used from the TEXT you linked from here is a very simple explanation of a plant's function. As I already pointed out the second paragraph, highlighted in blue on 1st page/ my second post, is the complete opposite of your theroy of "roots grow 24/7".

The part that you qouted above does not refer to any root or plant growth, when it refers to a plant "building itself" it is not talking about growth but the processes that take's place internally. This is just a simple explanation of the 2nd link posted here PHOTOSYNTHESIS. Which by it's very definition is a process that takes place during the photoperiod.

Why not get into "Dark Reaction's", that is what we were taliking abt, roots growing during the dark period. This is also refered to as "light independent functions", and if you read it, deals with the Calvin Cycle which is how a plant processes carbon fixation, and the chemical reactions it involves. But again it does not mention any plant growth below or above ground level during the dark phase.
OM

[budlover13]

Hey oldmac, idk where you live, but is it possible for you to help me set up a service like the one you provide, but in my area?

[budlover13]

I have my own plan, but you have a couple years experience on me and I as well as the locals would love to pick up your torch.

[oldmac]

First off, it is fairly presumptious of you to call me wrong when I have given you TWO references for plant growth at night, one directly from this site.
Niether of your references say anything abt root or plant growth at night. You do have a reading comprehension problem. The second paragraph of the text from hear clearly refutes your position.
Secondly, I took you to task on your original response to me as it had obvious patronizing overtones.
And I believe that your orignial post sounded like you wanted or expected some sort of confrontation. Tell me exactly how I should have corrected you? Would it been better for me to question your intelligence? I tried to be as nice as I could, considering I'm old and cranky.
It is naive on your part to ASSUME all patrons of this forum are uneducated pot smoking fools.
That sir is just not correct, I have many friends here, most are a lot smarter then me and I'm more then willing to help newbies or anybody else, as long as they have tried to read and learn before hand. I do have a problem with young cash cropper wannabes who think we should spoon feed info to them.
I am all for open debate and considering others opinions on a wide variety of subjects. However, it appears your word is the gospel.
Looking at your cut and pastes it looks like you really wanted a pissing contest not an open debate or discussion. And may word ain't gospel, I believe in the gospel of scientific facts. As RustyTrichome says in his signature, "If you are comforatable with your facts you should be comfortable with my questioning those facts." And that is what I did..
I didn't realize taking one course from a community college several years ago makes you an expert in this field, my apologies.
Actually 3 courses, 2 in horticulture and 1 in plant biology. And even tho it was a community college the courses were taught by a professor from Rutger's Univ. But besides that, Ive been growing cannabis now for just over 70 years. I started at age 10 in 1940 on a tobacco farm in SC. Besides tobacco that happens to be in the same family as cannabis, we grew 2 types of hemp; a tall skanky India hemp for fiber and a short Russian ruderalis for seeds to make oil. I also learned from the PR farm workers what they were growing in the hedge rows and tree line between the fields. It seems that was my introduction to growing seedless, by age 12 I could identify plant sex of mj. Plus I've had the good fortune to work in various areas around the world starting in the 1950's in the US Canal zone in Pannama and finishinf in the late 60's early 70's in both Laos and then Thailand. Every where I was in the world I looked to find growers there to see how they grew and to collect seeds to bring home. Developed a good seed bank that became very profitable in the early 80's. I've grown seeds for various companies and people in the Netherlands up to just a few years ago. I have many friends there and have visited many times. In 1983 my wife got cancer, and we found that mj could help her deal with treatments, plus helped her appetite and pain. Shortly after she died I dedicated my life to growing good meds and providing them first thru a cancer support group and a little latter a hospice organization. I believe in "compassionate care" so I provide meds at no cost to patients. I've pride myself with growing indoors great meds, starting over 15yrs ago with an NFT system and my current personnal indoor system for the last 6yrs has been a 3 stage RW system that flowers in a GI grow rotating garden (heavily modified). The garden has had a home built LED/T5 hybred light for the last 3 yrs. Two years ago I partnered up for a grow with a younger guy (40's) that I've built aero/fog trays for SOG size plants , called "fogfognugen". The frist one (2-4x4 trays) is lit with 4- TI ProBloom LED grow lights. The second is lit with 2- 1kw PSMH bulbs. The deal was I'd build it and dial it in, he'd provide a major percentage of the finished product to the groups I have been working with. Sorta carry on my work. Oh, we also provide plant starts to a few other groups in nearby towns for them to grow out, also for free.I currently am more interested in light and it's effect. I happen to also believe the more I know about the plant the better I can manipulate and exploit it for my benifit.
As for me being thankful for somebody not going off on me on an internet forum in a medium of anonymity, I find this quite humorous.
Those weren't my words, but someone who had just witnessed a little over a week ago my dealing with a piss ant who got into a pissing contest and got banned. And you're lucky this is a internet forum, cause I know you would not have the balls to say the things to me in person you've said here.
I simply came here to share my experiences and knowledge with others that may benefit from it.
That's great, but passing on misinformation does not help anyone. And I suppose you think I'm here just to screw with you? Get serious.
There are plenty of other sites that come across as more welcoming, and I have no issues going there instead.
Well go then, it would be better for both of us.

GTD

I really did not want to get into this with you, but I'll reserve my final opinion of you till after I've had a chance tommrow to read and respond to the rest of your post's here. It's the least I can do, it seems you put some effort into it.
OM

[oldmac]

Hey oldmac, idk where you live, but is it possible for you to help me set up a service like the one you provide, but in my area?

Possibly, I'll talk to you tomorrow. I mean later on today, geez where does the time go, oh I know I lost a post before and just had to re do it.
OM

[budlover13]

Possibly, I'll talk to you tomorrow. I mean later on today, geez where does the time go, oh I know I lost a post before and just had to re do it.
OM

Yep, momma just said it wa time for bed here too(11:23pm pst). That is first and foremost 'cause if momma's not happy, nobody is happy! I'll check in first thing tomorrow! Thank you!:thumbsup::jointsmile:

[budlover13]

P.S, OM, if you're on FB or would like to support the movement(which you obviously do) there is a group called the Teapot Party tenvisioned by Willie himself.

I've always like Willie, my Dad used to when he was cleancut and wore a suit. After he truthfully bared his soul, my father couldn't stand him. Actually, I thank my Dad for that because he pushed me to listen.

[oldmac]

Hey there Budlover13,

I see that you are in Cali, so it presents a logistical problem. I have recently started a "mentor" program, where I'll design and produce a grow system based on aero or aero/fog grow trays and some form of lighting set-up. I then teach the recpient how to grow using what I built and/or designed (the recpient pays for the parts used etc). This also includes cuttings or more usually plant starts so they have plant material for mom's etc.

Unless you are in a county that uses sqft/canopy to gauge size of the permitted grow and not plant count my method of SOG, put's it in the illegal catergory in a legal state.

I'm in a not mmj state in the NE, had some snow this AM, but nothing like the midwest had been hit with. I am close enought to travel to NJ and RI that have gone/going mmj. It's just too bad they seem to want to use plant counts.

My philosophy of growing indoors has been; indoors using any form of artifical lighting, the most productive way to grow is SOG. If you've seen my album showing the construction of "fogfognugen" or the thread I indroduced the first experiment run of it, each tray is 136 plants or 276 per/foggy. In the partnered grow I am envolved in there are now 2 fogfognugen's going in the same room, 1 using TI LED lights and the other PSMHs. From a legal perspective, I maintain that as long as each tray has cuts from one clone mother source then that tray is really just 1 plant with 138 branches. Biologically there is no way to prove different, tho my lawyer says that probably would not hold up in court. But I've been so illegal for so long I don't know if I care.

BTW, Willie has been a great advocate for mmj, just hope the last bust in Texas goes well for him.
OM