fees and taxes for grower/dispenseries - please help

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

Sorry, probably misunderstood something,....

Are you saying 450 an oz is acceptable pricing?

Or that the fees and regulations that are forcing the pricing that high out of control

$ 450 is great if your the getting it.

[ThaiBuddhaMan]

Who is fooled by the characterization of cannabis as "medical?"

Quick history lesson: During Prohibition (speaking about the alcohol prohibition), medical use of alcohol was still allowed in many states. One just needed to get a prescription. Sound familiar? Worked for alcohol. Might just work for cannabis!

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[TheReleafCenter]

Quick history lesson: During Prohibition (speaking about the alcohol prohibition), medical use of alcohol was still allowed in many states. One just needed to get a prescription. Sound familiar? Worked for alcohol. Might just work for cannabis!

:thumbsup:

My point exactly, and one I doubt was lost on senorx... he's a pretty sharp cat.

I get his point, too, although I'm not nearly as distrustful of government. But there is a certain hypocrisy when money raised from medical cannabis goes to the same "treatment facilities" that vehemently oppose and lobby against this plant.

I certainly hope we follow that same path, as ridiculous as it seems now. In the same way I imagine we'll be looking back at issues like gay marriage and wonder how we had it so wrong for so many years.

[colagal]

As long as I'm as free to grow my own as I am to brew my own beer, I agree wholeheartedly with you. I do not mean to imply that we are on opposite sides of anything, because we are not, but for business reasons the legitimization inherent in the tax and regulate model works to your benefit, while it just pisses me off. The idea that there is ANY legitimate reason for the government to be involved in any way is laughable. Aside from my inherent distrust of, and dislike for, government, its as if I was told that government involvement was necessary to protect me from the dangers of homegrown tomatoes, so now I have to get a license to eat tomatoes, and can only buy tomatoes at a state-licensed tomato dispensary, which will have to pay thousands of dollars in licensing fees, along with many other intrusive and unjustified regulations. I do not believe that cannabis is any more deserving of government oversight than tomatoes, and I resent its involvement. At least criminal prosecution was consistent, if utterly misguided.

Agreed. The founding principals of this country did not intend the government to be our parents.

Anyway, my guess is that marijuana will probably never become as acceptable as alcohol in this society, and the path to legalization too controversial. Let me ask all of you parents: what do you really tell your children about marijuana? What is your advice?

[TheReleafCenter]

Agreed. The founding principals of this country did not intend the government to be our parents.

Anyway, my guess is that marijuana will probably never become as acceptable as alcohol in this society, and the path to legalization too controversial. Let me ask all of you parents: what do you really tell your children about marijuana? What is your advice?

I'm just hoping by the time my son is old enough to "have the talk" it will be about responsible use of legal cannabis.

[colagal]

I'm just hoping by the time my son is old enough to "have the talk" it will be about responsible use of legal cannabis.

Too bad Barney Frank's bill, "The Personal Use of Marijuana by Responsible Adults Act of 2008" died in committee, eh? Maybe by the time your son is old enough, Barney will have prevailed and we will know what constitutes a responsible adult?

[TheReleafCenter]

Too bad Barney Frank's bill, "The Personal Use of Marijuana by Responsible Adults Act of 2008" died in committee, eh? Maybe by the time your son is old enough, Barney will have prevailed and we will know what constitutes a responsible adult?

At least it's in the national discussion now. Prohibition usually involves medical exceptions, then state repeals, then federal repeals. Thus, this change that we're pursuing locally is more important than some realize.

[senorx12562]

The point of any government regulation of any substance or activity, even to a libertarian like me, is to weigh the potential harm against the potential benefits. The potential harm from cannabis use is, for all practical purposes, zero. Therefore, it need not have any benefits at all, and any regulation is wholly unjustified. I should not have to go to a doctor and get his/her permission to use it for anything I see fit. My problem with the term "medical" as applied to cannabis is that it implies that one's use of it for glaucoma, chronic wasting, migraine, or whatever "permissible"(according to the government, of course) reason is somehow more legitimate than another's use for depression or anxiety or just for fun. That implication is absolutely untrue, as all who frequent this site know damn good and well. The emotional distress that many (if not most) at least occasionally treat with cannabis and other psychoactive substances is just as worthy of treatment (and in my experience sometimes more so) than those on the "approved" list. Who has not experienced psychic pain worse than any physical pain you've experienced? To pretend otherwise is dishonest and hypocritical, and I will no longer take part in the charade.

With respect to the characterization of alcohol as "medicinal" during prohibition, I imagine it was rife with the same dishonesty and hypocrisy as the current treatment of cannabis.

As to what to tell one's kids, we have been absolutely honest about all psychoactive substances with my almost-16-year-old son, who so far has shown no interest in altering his consciousness. We have made it clear that we don't feel he is mature enough to make the decision whether to drink or smoke or whatever. I'm not stupid or naive enough to believe that he will be forever sober, but its about good decision-making in all areas, not just drugs and alcohol, so I think giving one's children anything other than accurate and complete information does them a disservice.

[colagal]

The point of any government regulation of any substance or activity, even to a libertarian like me, is to weigh the potential harm against the potential benefits. The potential harm from cannabis use is, for all practical purposes, zero. Therefore, it need not have any benefits at all, and any regulation is wholly unjustified. I should not have to go to a doctor and get his/her permission to use it for anything I see fit. My problem with the term "medical" as applied to cannabis is that it implies that one's use of it for glaucoma, chronic wasting, migraine, or whatever "permissible"(according to the government, of course) reason is somehow more legitimate than another's use for depression or anxiety or just for fun. That implication is absolutely untrue, as all who frequent this site know damn good and well. The emotional distress that many (if not most) at least occasionally treat with cannabis and other psychoactive substances is just as worthy of treatment (and in my experience sometimes more so) than those on the "approved" list. Who has not experienced psychic pain worse than any physical pain you've experienced? To pretend otherwise is dishonest and hypocritical, and I will no longer take part in the charade.

With respect to the characterization of alcohol as "medicinal" during prohibition, I imagine it was rife with the same dishonesty and hypocrisy as the current treatment of cannabis.

As to what to tell one's kids, we have been absolutely honest about all psychoactive substances with my almost-16-year-old son, who so far has shown no interest in altering his consciousness. We have made it clear that we don't feel he is mature enough to make the decision whether to drink or smoke or whatever. I'm not stupid or naive enough to believe that he will be forever sober, but its about good decision-making in all areas, not just drugs and alcohol, so I think giving one's children anything other than accurate and complete information does them a disservice.

I imagine "harm" is in the eye of the beholder. An altered conscience or consciousness may or may not be a good thing. Curious...perhaps your son's lack of interest in this mind altering substance has to do, in part, with the notion that it may be harmful, e.g., may interfere with his learning by impairing thinking, reading comprehension, and verbal and mathematical skills?

[TheReleafCenter]

I imagine "harm" is in the eye of the beholder. An altered conscience or consciousness may or may not be a good thing. Curious...perhaps your son's lack of interest in this mind altering substance has to do, in part, with the notion that it may be harmful, e.g., may interfere with his learning by impairing thinking, reading comprehension, and verbal and mathematical skills?

The studies I've seen on adolescent cannabis use haven't been positive.