fees and taxes for grower/dispenseries - please help

[TheReleafCenter]

You can't make butane extracted oil? Do you also operate an MIP?

Our MIP got nixed at the last minute.

[senorx12562]

The amount of the fees being collected proves what I've suspected all along. It's all about the money. I have no problem with growers and retailers making and charging all that the market will bear, but for the prohibitionists to immediately become profiteers is the height of hypocrisy.
I rue the day that Amendment 20 became law. The net amount of dishonesty and hypocrisy attached to the commerce in this plant has exploded vis-a-vis the old days when the cops were the only scumbags. I'm going to let my card expire, never to renew. I do not need the government's permission, and if they want to jail me, so be it. Fuck 'em.

[TheReleafCenter]

Beats fighting for anything!

[senorx12562]

Beats fighting for anything!

Why would I fight for "medical" marijuana when the entire paradigm is corrupt? Who is fooled by the characterization of cannabis as "medical?" My participation in the scheme only implies my tacit approval thereof-my mistake, but I recognize and will not repeat it. You've created a business on this hypocrisy, and thus our motivations are entirely different. Good luck though.

[TheReleafCenter]

I respect that opinion and you're right, there are a lot of different motivations at work here. Progress is often messy and can make for strange bedfellows. I am hopeful that cannabis mirrors alcohol in terms of how prohibition was eventually repealed.

[senorx12562]

I respect that opinion and you're right, there are a lot of different motivations at work here. Progress is often messy and can make for strange bedfellows. I am hopeful that cannabis mirrors alcohol in terms of how prohibition was eventually repealed.

As long as I'm as free to grow my own as I am to brew my own beer, I agree wholeheartedly with you. I do not mean to imply that we are on opposite sides of anything, because we are not, but for business reasons the legitimization inherent in the tax and regulate model works to your benefit, while it just pisses me off. The idea that there is ANY legitimate reason for the government to be involved in any way is laughable. Aside from my inherent distrust of, and dislike for, government, its as if I was told that government involvement was necessary to protect me from the dangers of homegrown tomatoes, so now I have to get a license to eat tomatoes, and can only buy tomatoes at a state-licensed tomato dispensary, which will have to pay thousands of dollars in licensing fees, along with many other intrusive and unjustified regulations. I do not believe that cannabis is any more deserving of government oversight than tomatoes, and I resent its involvement. At least criminal prosecution was consistent, if utterly misguided.

[donniedorko]

Why would I fight for "medical" marijuana when the entire paradigm is corrupt? Who is fooled by the characterization of cannabis as "medical?" My participation in the scheme only implies my tacit approval thereof-my mistake, but I recognize and will not repeat it. You've created a business on this hypocrisy, and thus our motivations are entirely different. Good luck though.

Erm, there actually are some people who use it medically. I get that there is probably a lot of fraud and a lot of people who are just recreational users, but there are plenty of legitimate ones, too.

[donniedorko]

As long as I'm as free to grow my own as I am to brew my own beer, I agree wholeheartedly with you. I do not mean to imply that we are on opposite sides of anything, because we are not, but for business reasons the legitimization inherent in the tax and regulate model works to your benefit, while it just pisses me off. The idea that there is ANY legitimate reason for the government to be involved in any way is laughable. Aside from my inherent distrust of, and dislike for, government, its as if I was told that government involvement was necessary to protect me from the dangers of homegrown tomatoes, so now I have to get a license to eat tomatoes, and can only buy tomatoes at a state-licensed tomato dispensary, which will have to pay thousands of dollars in licensing fees, along with many other intrusive and unjustified regulations. I do not believe that cannabis is any more deserving of government oversight than tomatoes, and I resent its involvement. At least criminal prosecution was consistent, if utterly misguided.

You're free to grown tomatoes at home for your own use without government involvement. And you're free to grow your mmj at home without government involvement. The amount of patients who are growing at home for themselves and who have been hassled is essentially, if not literally, zero. The people getting in trouble are the people operating the professional grows, the MMCs, etc. All of which exist in an idiotic limboland between state and federal law.

But seriously, the tomatoes you buy at the store? Those are regulated, there are all kinds of laws about sanitation, grow conditions, transportation, etc., etc., etc. And they almost certainly increase the cost of the product in the end. But the number of people who die from tainted food in this country is extremely low. So it's kind of a trade off.

[canniwhatsis]

You're free to grown tomatoes at home for your own use without government involvement. And you're free to grow your mmj at home without government involvement. The amount of patients who are growing at home for themselves and who have been hassled is essentially, if not literally, zero. The people getting in trouble are the people operating the professional grows, the MMCs, etc. All of which exist in an idiotic limboland between state and federal law.

But seriously, the tomatoes you buy at the store? Those are regulated, there are all kinds of laws about sanitation, grow conditions, transportation, etc., etc., etc. And they almost certainly increase the cost of the product in the end. But the number of people who die from tainted food in this country is extremely low. So it's kind of a trade off.

Good point,... However the hash used in edibles has been filtered to the point that there is next to no anything cept for trichome heads.


How clean is the tobacco that so many in this country smoke?


I'd wager that the medical grade marijuana that is being produced is MUCH cleaner than that!

[canniwhatsis]

Sorry, probably misunderstood something,....

Are you saying 450 an oz is acceptable pricing?

Or that the fees and regulations that are forcing the pricing that high out of control