Prop 19 Results - It has been a long time coming but...

[DavidBriggs]

Sadly the Proposition to legalize cannabis as many feared did not pass. However, this proposition has made great headway and I believe we are still on track. Those of you who thought that legalization was actually about to happen are surely upset that it did not pass but this country is built by wealth and this time the wealth was on the other side.

With glaring clarity cannabis has been proven to be a legitimate medicine and an invaluable fiber. Undoubtedly people also are realizing that the United States is sinking into an abysmal debt.

I believe the efforts to end the prohibition of Cannabis are not only on track, they are ahead of schedule. Prop 19 contained some bad legislation and would have been most beneficial to everyday users and large corporations. Since it has not passed we are given more time to determine how best to progress. The amount of visibility this proposition provided for cannabis across the country was priceless and I feel that a much larger portion of the population is becoming educated on the matter. I envision the following.

* In 3-5 years we will have federal legalization for medicinal use
* In 3-5 years we also will see the decriminalization of small amounts of cannabis
* In 5-10 years we will see the legalization of hemp (the non psychoactive male cannabis plant used for fiber)

I see great things in the future for cannabis and those who continue to support its integration into the United States economy.

Thank you everyone for your efforts and do not give up hope. We are still working towards the same goal and we have not seen a loss yet.

Papa Kief

DavidBriggs Reviewed by DavidBriggs on 11-03-2010. Prop 19 Results - It has been a long time coming but... Sadly the Proposition to legalize cannabis as many feared did not pass. However, this proposition has made great headway and I believe we are still on track. Those of you who thought that legalization was actually about to happen are surely upset that it did not pass but this country is built by wealth and this time the wealth was on the other side. With glaring clarity cannabis has been proven to be a legitimate medicine and an invaluable fiber. Undoubtedly people also are realizing that Rating: 5

[ZeroWingX]

Well I guess 19's Taxation and regulation didn't win.
But I hope the above vision is realized. But no matter how you slice it 19 running was good enough to get people to wake up.
Hopefully Hemp does become legal for Industrial use.
Hopefully Next "legalization" effort wont include ridiculous Tax
Hopefully Now that dispensaries had to sweat a bit, they will lower their prices
Hopefully we get a no criminalization law for Marijuana possession without a script, a Infraction would be nice lol
Hopefully we will continue to grow as a sub culture and earn the title of respectable medicine that Marijuana truly is.
No matter who thinks those of us who voted no were against you, we were all fighting for the same goal. True Legalization even under Federal law and recognition for Marijuana as a legit medicine.
I just hope the Next bill they try to pass is a lot less corrupt or once again I'll be fighting to keep it with the people not Industrialized...
One Love...
:rastasmoke:

[eccentric]

Those of you who thought that legalization was actually about to happen are surely upset that it did not pass but this country is built by wealth and this time the wealth was on the other side.

Actually, YES on 19 outspent the opposition by more than 10x. I don't really think this was a money problem...

* In 3-5 years we will have federal legalization for medicinal use
* In 3-5 years we also will see the decriminalization of small amounts of cannabis
* In 5-10 years we will see the legalization of hemp (the non psychoactive male cannabis plant used for fiber)

That's pretty damn optimistic. I see things only getting worse at the federal level; do you really think the new teabaggers in congress will support any of this?

This really needs to happen with a careful and measured state law that inspires other states to follow, in opposition to federal law. Federal law will simply go unenforced for a while, and then eventually, someday, repealed. This has to be a bottom up change.

Prop 19 was just about perfect and the best chance that's going to come along in a good while was just wasted. This is the fault of moralizers, the uninformed masses, and those waiting for the "perfect" proposition to come along, waiting to legalize nationally all at once (not gunna happen), or who selfishly wanted to maintain their profits under the current system.

This is a very sad result...

[ZeroWingX]

I'm an optimistic person.Idk about calling prop 19 nearly perfect but, ya I agree with some of the things you stated. But ideally to Tax and regulate under state government means to pretty much Make the people pay while the state uses the money to keep the rich up and the average person down. This all boils down to money, and if you think the dispensaries ,who yes do charge ridiculous prices sometimes all for their own gain are worst than the state who mis-use Millions and millions of tax money every year; the lie to us about it and say we need more tax to fix it than wow...
I'd rather leave it to the people. We can control the prices all you have to do is start growing your own if your a medical patient. Doesn't have to be anything big I'm not saying go spend 3000+ on a set up. But you can grow 2-3 plants on 400 wats VERY well without breaking the bank then come harvest you don't have to depend on dispensaries so much. Now granted some people cant grow like the Little old lady I grow Romulan for or my good friend who tats me for meds to kill his severe back pain. But If I found it in my heart even though I own delivery service and plan to open a Dispensary to grow for those who can't and truly help people I don't see why others don't/Can't. Just think if every Dispensary and grower just pitched in an Ounce for someone who truly Can't afford Medicine. Just my 2 cents. Its pretty much legal as it is all that's required is you get a card. If you don't want to be in the data base legally, then hey that's your problem.

[Ub3rB0ng]

Dont forget,they have literally tons of vote by mail ballots to count,not that i tmight change much but ya never know.

[ZeroWingX]

Don't* forget,they have literally tons of vote by mail ballots to count,not that it might* change much but ya never know.

True, but the % is to high. That's like watching the rest of the Lakers game that happened last night lol... a blowout is a blowout XD
I guess I better put my focus on the HTMCC next year now that the Legal stuffs done. I got a lot of work to perfect my Strain =/
Go Lakers! :thumbsup:

[eccentric]

I'd rather leave it to the people. We can control the prices all you have to do is start growing your own if your a medical patient.

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Just my 2 cents. Its pretty much legal as it is all that's required is you get a card. If you don't want to be in the data base legally, then hey that's your problem.

I understand where you're coming from, but not all of us can choose to live wherever we want. I, for example, live in a state without even legal medical access to cannabis. People around the world cared about the progress that would have been made by the passage of prop 19 in California. Not all of us can just choose to get ourselves a card and start growing. People can still go to jail for possession of less than an ounce where I live...

Also, the "tax" prop 19 allowed for was simply a sales tax. You could still grow and share without paying anything. In most states, you'll pay a sales tax of just about anything: beer, milk, etc. Having a heavier sales tax on pot seems like a non-issue when compared with people's basic freedoms.

This is the country that was founded on the principals of people like Thomas Paine who said "Give me liberty or give me death". Liberty has no meaning nowadays. We're a country of moralizers, and at best people of practical concern. In this case fueled by ignorance. So many people are willing to compromise their basic freedoms of self governance in the name of practical benefits. Truly sad.

[helpinOG]

Then do something about it and quit whining. Why is it everyone in an illegal state feels the need to coach CA on how to vote? If you want MMJ try to get it on the ballot in you're state. If you just want to smoke pot instead of drinking alchohol, try to get legalization on you're ballot. But don't bitch about CA doing whats right for CA. I for one am glad to see this pile of shit fail miserably and I don't even live there. This just gave us some more time before the government takes over mj, then you fools will be smoking schwag joints in marlboro wrappers rejoicing about how its all legal now. Grow a pair.

[nmesub]

Well I guess 19's Taxation and regulation didn't win.

Hopefully Next "legalization" effort wont include ridiculous Tax
Hopefully Now that dispensaries had to sweat a bit, they will lower their prices

:rastasmoke:

Of coarse it will include a tax ALL vices are taxed, its called a sin tax!

Why dont you lead the charge in lowering your prices...didnt think so!

Im starting to become bitter towards the mmj crowd. Its a rip off, mmj in Canada ranges from 150-160 oz. Where is all that money going Cali?(not taxes)
Eh from the way mmj laws are starting to shape in states lucky enough to have them i dont see it being around long anyway. Just ask New Jersey, worst mmj law ever! Washington States isnt much better.

[VapedG13]

Just remeber one thing about voting and how much it can be manipulated

We just had a President in offfice for 8 yrs that many believe never won his first term but then was by some miracal was also voted in a second term too

Gas went from $5 a gallon to little over $2 .....alot of bs to get through:hippy: