My clone is dry and looks odd, plus lost its smell?

[WashougalWonder]

Looks like many problems to me. First impression is nitrogen overload. This could be because of lockout, but.

The leaves are also very shiny, you giving a lot of neem?

I would repot, regardless of the size. Flush it well first, then repot. Do not break up the root ball. Allow the excess water in the root ball to moisten the new potting mix...i.e., don't water immediately, wait until it needs it.

More light will help a lot.

I would stop all additives for now. Get this puppy back in balance first, they grew for eons without our intervention....

And age of mother actually means it should have reached it's maximum potential in age, no degradation in the first few years at all, I have plants well over 10 years old that are so strong I can barely tolerate the smoke, I have some that still at 3 years of age are getting better with every grow.

:jointsmile:

Edit: As I look back, you say in .3 liter pot. How tall is the plant? Think of the pot size necessary is big enough to hold root system equivalent to what you see above the dirt. Pictures give distorted views. You may simply need the repot into a larger pot and lay off the nutes for awhile, keep ingoing PH 6.5, and see if you can find some Fox Farms Ocean Forest potting mix.

[Rusty Trichome]

.7) Specific brand and type of soil, (coco, peat based soilless...) and anything you've added to it. (vermiculite, perlite, worm castings...)Garden Magic from nursery
.8) Size of container.3 liter

Soil looks all used-up. When you water to runoff, does the water flow freely through the medium, or does it slowly filter down absorbing into the medium?Perhaps a transplant into FRESH unused soil. Have you slid-out the rootball to check for rootbound, or to make sure the roots are forming properly? (bright white, long and branching)

On your next watering day, (before watering) I'd slip the rootball out, and see if the bottom of the rootball is still moist. It shouldn't be bone dry. If it is too dry, add more solution on nutrient day, or perhaps adjust your watering.

13) Specific brand and N-P-K ratio for each bottle. List dosages (quantity per gallon) and current feeding schedule.6-4-4 Fox Farm GROW BIG. I water when needed and alternate ferts. 2 tsp per gal.

Are you talking about alternating nutrients, or alternating between watering and fertilizing? Are you using the directions on the bottle, or the online weekly feeding schedule? Just the Grow Big, not the Big Bloom, too?

With higher temps, stagnant air can stress the ladies, especially if overly humid.

Bad idea to switch them between light sources. This adds stress too.

Might be needing some extra calcium. Perhaps a dose or two of molasses. (1 tsp per gallon per week)

Have you thought about maybe going with 1/2 strength ferts twice a week, rather than full doses once a week? I've been doing the twice-a-week thing for years, and it's easier to add nutes the next feeding, than to consistently OD 'em. Some plants can't handle full-strength nutrients all at once.

edit: Sorry Washougal, didn't get this far down in the post till I posted mine. Didn't mean to step on toes.

[LetsSeeYa]

it appears to be a deficiency. how old is the plant? how long has it been receiving nutes?
you probably should flush your soil and check your runoff. i'm wondering about the soil.

that's where i would start.

-shake

I took the clone in July and only feed 1tsb per gallon of water, which was way lower of strength then recommended. The soil has been treating me well an have used it all summer. This pot has more perlite 50/50 soil. I thought it might help the roots grow more freely. Its what i thought, deficiency, by the way it looks, but not a clue. I am having truble getting my ph pen clabrated or id would have a better reading. I might try to get it right before i do anything major. I only have the blue buffer 7.02 i think its marked. It was pre mix when it was gifted with electric tape over the cap. What do you think i should set the pen at, 7.02? This is new stuff i need to get down, i should already know, but last year i used pre ferted stuff and didnt add anything. I would advise it to a newbie so it makes it easier. I learned so much by just watching the plant grow. Ya just cant add ferts to that stuff or ya fry the plant, but no one wants to listen, oh well.

Thanks Shake:thumbsup:

Looks like many problems to me. First impression is nitrogen overload. This could be because of lockout, but.

The leaves are also very shiny, you giving a lot of neem?

I would repot, regardless of the size. Flush it well first, then repot. Do not break up the root ball. Allow the excess water in the root ball to moisten the new potting mix...i.e., don't water immediately, wait until it needs it.

More light will help a lot.

No neem oil used. I water now with the ''when t needs it technique''. Iv kept the soil more dry then an over watering. The soil has worked fine, but iv loaded this pot with perlite trying to get air to the roots.

I would stop all additives for now. Get this puppy back in balance first, they grew for eons without our intervention....

And age of mother actually means it should have reached it's maximum potential in age, no degradation in the first few years at all, I have plants well over 10 years old that are so strong I can barely tolerate the smoke, I have some that still at 3 years of age are getting better with every grow.

Something i had no clue to was age, 10 years is some dedication to keep a mother that long. Must be a favorite of yours.

The plants growth really hasn't been stunted since iv put it in its bigger pot.

Edit: As I look back, you say in .3 liter pot. How tall is the plant? Think of the pot size necessary is big enough to hold root system equivalent to what you see above the dirt. Pictures give distorted views. You may simply need the repot into a larger pot and lay off the nutes for awhile, keep ingoing PH 6.5, and see if you can find some Fox Farms Ocean Forest potting mix.

I really think the pot might be bigger then 3 liters.

Soil looks all used-up. When you water to runoff, does the water flow freely through the medium, or does it slowly filter down absorbing into the medium?Perhaps a transplant into FRESH unused soil. Have you slid-out the rootball to check for rootbound, or to make sure the roots are forming properly? (bright white, long and branching)

Yeah Rusty very freely through the mix of 50/50 soil to perlite. Nothing tells me it needs re potted. Not ever droopy leaves and gets water/food about every 3-4 days. The soil has been the same all summer and the best i could get without ferts added. It came from my nursery and iv liked using it, mix with some perlite.

On your next watering day, (before watering) I'd slip the rootball out, and see if the bottom of the rootball is still moist. It shouldn't be bone dry. If it is too dry, add more solution on nutrient day, or perhaps adjust your watering.

I will pull her out and take a look, but didn't see any touching the sides of its last pot. I could have busted up the root ball, but its the only clone i had and was not wanting to disturb the new roots. But i believe there were not many roots before this re pot as it was not stable coming out of the original pot.

Are you talking about alternating nutrients, or alternating between watering and fertilizing? Are you using the directions on the bottle, or the online weekly feeding schedule? Just the Grow Big, not the Big Bloom, too?

With higher temps, stagnant air can stress the ladies, especially if overly humid.

No iv only used the Grow Big and started with only a half tsp, then 1 and 2 yesterday. And i feed let dry, then water and let dry, and so on. There is 50%perlite in the soil mix, which keeps the roots from getting to dry, but over all iv kept the soil more dryer then a would a plant from seed. My thinking was to get air to the roots, but not toatolly not letting the roots dry out.

Il get temp/humidty tonight, but i do have a fan moving air in there.

Bad idea to switch them between light sources. This adds stress too.

Might be needing some extra calcium. Perhaps a dose or two of molasses. (1 tsp per gallon per week)

Have you thought about maybe going with 1/2 strength ferts twice a week, rather than full doses once a week? I've been doing the twice-a-week thing for years, and it's easier to add nutes the next feeding, than to consistently OD 'em. Some plants can't handle full-strength nutrients all at once.

edit: Sorry Washougal, didn't get this far down in the post till I posted mine. Didn't mean to step on toes.

When it started new growth, i only sat it on the window and gave it extra cfl at night only because i was making sure it wasn't going into flower. It wasn't long after i took the clone, the mother flowered fast. So i was only trying to extend light period to prevent it from starting to flower.

I did start out less then half strength on the ferts and built on them as the plant got bigger.


Thanks for the help everyone:thumbsup:i really want to save this plant to clone from. I will pull it out to look for roots growing. Im thinking i will not see any and even thought of making a paste with the clonex and try and stick it in down around a newly scrapped spot on the stem,lol Anything to save this one, i had to kill its mother. But this looks nothing like the mother had.




Thanks again guys:rasta:

[LetsSeeYa]

The roots look nice an white and growing real nice, but i put it in a bigger pot. Here are a couple pics of the roots. The temps were 66-79 low and high and the humidity was 69 and 80 low and high. I also flushed her, so lets see what happens in the next couple days:thumbsup:



:rasta:

[WashougalWonder]

Yeah, something is going on there, the roots at the bottom have a brownish color, not healthy. Again, flush, repot, and no nutes....in that order.

RUSTY: I do that all the time accidentally, nope, you missed my toes...wanna dance? LOL I really don't think you are my type for dancing.....

[LetsSeeYa]

Yeah, something is going on there, the roots at the bottom have a brownish color, not healthy. Again, flush, repot, and no nutes....in that order.

Well iv done this while it was out of the pot, they were not as bad as it looks in the pic as most roots were nice and white. And before it was put in this pot about a month, all of those roots grew. I didn't see a one root when it came out of the last pot, which the clone started from. I think there is a deficiency, plus i need to recalibrate my Ph pen next.



:rasta:

[headshake]

hey LSY, since you got your lighting situation fixed, perhaps you should invest in a new pH pen. the one you got gifted was suspect at best!

it's not uncommon for roots in soil to have a brown tint. FLUSH, FLUSH, FLUSH!


-shake

[LetsSeeYa]

hey LSY, since you got your lighting situation fixed, perhaps you should invest in a new pH pen. the one you got gifted was suspect at best!

it's not uncommon for roots in soil to have a brown tint. FLUSH, FLUSH, FLUSH!


-shake

Yeah Shake i was planning on getting a new pen. Its been giving me different readings so im not sure if i didn't let it dry out by mistake too, but i tried to keep it wet.

Yeah iv seen some brownish roots on other plants but the bulk of them were very white. And i flushed right after it was put in a bigger pot with fresh soil, but it looked worse this morning? After i re pot a plant it always looks better the next day and im thinking deficiency is my issue, but not sure what it might be?



Thanks Shake:rasta:

[LetsSeeYa]

Ok 4 days from being re potted and flushed well. Looks like the new growth is coming along well and its grown in the past 4 days. Its got to be some sort of deficiency, because its not been nute burned or over watered. There are no pests at all. And the temps are not perfect, but if it was id think it would stunt growth and its growing good. Any ideas on what these line might be, i cant find anything, but the Epsom salts sticky. She talks about lines down the finger of the leaf. Is this what Stinkyattic is talking about in the thread?





Thanks everyone:rasta:

[headshake]

did you check your runoff when you flushed LSY?

-shake