New Prop 19 poll results released....

[boaz]

i really dont understand what money has to do with poeple making a vote......

media purchase mostly, but yeah, ask Meg if you can buy an election. :jointsmile:

[middieman440]

lol haha

[WillyNilly]

Thanks, George! :thumbsup: This will allow the yes guys to play the crap out of the commercial. I imagine you guys have seen it, but in case you haven't:
YouTube - TV Ad - Police Chief McNamara: Vote YES On Proposition 19

[StoneMeadow]

The bottom line is that lots more folks don't know much about what the initiative really means, and that they hesitate to tell pollsters their true intentions. Check it out here: Why the polls don't matter.

Don't listen to the FUD, just go vote YES for Prop 19! :thumbsup:

[StoneMeadow]

Here's another reason to keep the faith...and to vote YES on Prop 19.

Will 'Reverse' Bradley Effect Stoke Pot Initiative?

[StoneMeadow]

Yet another article explaining why folks are leery of live pollsters: Prop 19 supporters coy with live pollsters

Keep the faith...and vote YES on Prop 19!

[Theym420]

The reason for the decline in support is that people are starting to figure out how Prop 19 may work against their own best interests..... Prop 19 is just about economics. A lot of people feel that economically they'd have more options without it. Or aren't ready to permanently close off those options just yet.... People are also realizing that an initiative is FOREVER. So it's not just like "well, i'll vote for this flawed one now, 'as a first step' until something better comes along". An initiative can never be changed --- ever. Except by another initiative; until someone raises huge money & a campaign for a new initiative.... voting for Prop 19 would block the way for good initiatives that are brewing right now.

lol nice logic

[colonuggs]

The reason for the decline in support is that people are starting to figure out how Prop 19 may work against their own best interests. Marijuana has already just been decriminalized in California (no charges, court or record). You can wag your bag in front of a cop now, and there's not jack they can do about it. Except maybe write you a ticket.

So now Prop 19 is just about economics. A lot of people feel that economically they'd have more options without it. Or aren't ready to permanently close off those options just yet.

A good website that explains all this stuff is Marijuana Users Against Proposition 19. It's made by stoners, not the religious-right.

People are also realizing that an initiative is FOREVER. So it's not just like "well, i'll vote for this flawed one now, 'as a first step' until something better comes along". An initiative can never be changed --- ever. Except by another initiative; until someone raises huge money & a campaign for a new initiative.

That's why Dennis Peron, who wrote Proposition 215, is telling people not to vote for it. He's probably the most experienced person out there on initiatives, and cannabis -- and he hates it. Makes ya wonder....

Also voting for Prop 19 would block the way for good initiatives that are brewing right now. That accomplish the desired goals:

1) making marijuana legal, while at the same time

2) keeping hundreds of thousands of Californians fully or partially self-employed, and

3) keeping the money in the state (we're talking about $15 Billion dollars annually pumped into our state).

4) keeping big corporations out of an industry that should remain people-based.

As soon as an initiative is out that does those 4 things, SIGN IT, then VOTE FOR IT.

just my 2c

Thats one of the better/more realistic views :thumbsup:


Decriminalization = Power to the people, use, grow, sell, trade, barter, in a free, unrestricted and no tax market



Legalization = Govt. and big business control, the public no longer has a voice in price, use, and dominion.......this is what 19 will accomplish

[StoneMeadow]

Thats one of the better/more realistic views :thumbsup:

Actually, it's more like one of the most ignorant and short-sighted views I've seen here. Let's consider just the jobs and revenue impact for California.

There are about 230,000 mmj card holders in California, so that is the sum total of the legal medijuana market. If that market suddenly expands to all of the 20 million adult Californians, do you think the market will get bigger or smaller? Hint: 20 million is 87 times larger than 230,000. Yeah, I understand that it's a really tough question, but think about it and get back to us.

On that same vein, if the present value is $15 billion and the market suddenly gets 87 time larger, what do you think will happen to that $15 billion figure? Will it get bigger or smaller? Not asking for precise numbers, just a common sense guess.

Decriminalization = Power to the people, use, grow, sell, trade, barter, in a free, unrestricted and no tax market

So, what you're saying is that you're totally cool with the State continuing to mar people for the rest of their lives with a "citation" for a plant that grows in their back yard? They can never get a job in transportation, in education, for the gov't, in healthcare or a host of other occupations, but you're totally cool with that because doing so protects a small cadre of NorCal hippies who want to protect their illegal lifestyle? That sounds real neighbor-like. :wtf:

I mean, think about it this way. What if Prohibition had continued to this day, and the only way to drink alcohol was to buy it from some shady moonshiner. And if you got caught with more than an ounce you could never get a decent job in any of the occupations I list above. Well, that's exactly what you're advocating here.

Legalization = Govt. and big business control, the public no longer has a voice in price, use, and dominion.......this is what 19 will accomplish

Legalization means I can grow my own, just like I can brew my own beer, grow my own tomatoes and build my own hot rod. Sure, it also means corporations will have some of the action, maybe eventually most of it. I'm actually cool with that because most of the time I buy my beer from a commercial brewery (a corporation), my tomatoes at Winco (another corporation) and I drive a Ford (yet another corporation).

Have you ever driven down US Highway 99 south from Sacramento? There are thousands upon thousands of square miles of grape vines down there. Nearly all of it goes into cheap box and jug wines. By your reckoning that must mean those cheap box wines are putting all the boutique wineries in Napa and Sonoma out of business, right? After all, the box wine companies are huge corporations and the little guys don't stand a chance against them. Right?

What...the high-class wineries are NOT going out of business? How can that be? :stoned:

You ever drink those box wines? They taste like the equivalent of Mexican ditch weed. Ever try that shit? It's all full of seeds and stems and dirt. No care has been expended in its culture, curing or preparation, and it'll barely get you high.

Well, corporate weed is going to be the marijuana equivalent of cheap box wine. Careful NorCal growers lovingly tend each plant to maximize the quality and quantity of primo bud, like careful and skilled vintners in Napa grow and prepare their premium wines. And they will always get a premium price for it for the same reasons skilled vintners get 10 times the price per liter as do the large corporate wineries...quality.

So your arguments just don't make sense. Wake up and vote YES on Prop 19, and enjoy being part of something wonderful. :thumbsup:

[WillyNilly]

Exactly! Well said.

I imagine that when prohibition was repealed, a lot of gangsters and moonshiners were pretty pissed off that they had to go get real jobs. The rotgut garbage they made was the only game in town, and when it became legal, they couldn't compete with the quality stuff that was again available.