For the NO on 19 crowd:

[WillyNilly]

So if 19 passes everyone who wants to grow there own and is able too...... why even bother having any stores at all?? This might just have a adverse effect on the economy of california.

I personally will always grow my own...will never buy from anyone....Alot of people will grow their own just to put the MJ stores out of business....why buy from a store when you can grow and control what goes into your weed

They wont tax your personal grows.....until they realize that the stores are a bust and not providing the tax revenues they project due to personal cultivationthey can impliment any amount of tax they wish without any voting from the people thanks to good old 19

Plenty of people will buy it. Not everyone has a place for, or wants a garden. Lots of people will be happy just to go to a store and buy just enough for a night on the town. They don't need a pound of it.

As for taxing personal gardens, why would they? Who's going to go door to door checking to see who's growing? Do people pay taxes for growing their own tomatoes?

[VapedG13]

its a can of worms that will soon be opened...amendments to 19 will come dont be surprized if garden registration isnt added just for tax purposes (anything having to due with taxes on the MJ you wont be voting on)

I know alot of people who wont ever buy it because of all the BS that can be added without our knowledge...Just look at all the BS added to Ciggs for example

[StoneMeadow]

its a can of worms that will soon be opened...amendments to 19 will come dont be surprized if garden registration isnt added just for tax purposes (anything having to due with taxes on the MJ you wont be voting on

You keep showing this willful ignorance. There is no provision in Prop 19 for the State or local governments to tax non-commercial mj. Period.

It's just like the property taxes set in Prop 13 years ago. The State and local government would LOVE to raise them higher, but they cannot by law. Same thing with Prop 19, so quit spreading this lie.

[VapedG13]

While Rancho Cordova is proposing at $600/sqft tax on personal grows, it remains to be seen whether this can survive constitutional scrutiny. A government canâ??t tax away your rights â?? that was tried in 1937 with the Marihuana Tax Act and Dr. Timothy Leary sued the feds and won on the principle that you canâ??t be forced to incriminate yourself in order to obey a law. Poll taxes were also found to be unconstitutional because you canâ??t deprive someone of their right to vote just because they are poor.

However, even if a locality overtaxes personal grows, you still have the option of getting a Prop 215 rec and growing your marijuana untaxed...thats how you get around the personal grow tax bro

[WillyNilly]

While Rancho Cordova is proposing at $600/sqft tax on personal grows, it remains to be seen whether this can survive constitutional scrutiny. A government canâ??t tax away your rights â?? that was tried in 1937 with the Marihuana Tax Act and Dr. Timothy Leary sued the feds and won on the principle that you canâ??t be forced to incriminate yourself in order to obey a law. Poll taxes were also found to be unconstitutional because you canâ??t deprive someone of their right to vote just because they are poor.

However, even if a locality overtaxes personal grows, you still have the option of getting a Prop 215 rec and growing your marijuana untaxed...thats how you get around the personal grow tax bro

It's clear that Rancho Cordova is run by right-wing morons, not people who want a viable cannabis industry.

Long Beach has a measure to tax growers $25 per sq. ft., and a 15% tax on resale, contingent on 19 passing, of course. I voted for it. Large growers have no advantage over small ones that way. Quality will be the thing that sells... To all those tourists.... Mmmmm....

Now, you can point out a single example of what one Jesus freak city council is doing, or acknowledge that several communities will welcome growers, both small and large, in hopes of getting some badly-needed funds.

You growers need to step into the 21st century. Just siitng back and saying "It's good enough the way it is" exposes you as the worst sort of hypocrite. Jack would be spinning in his grave. You've been thoroughly debunked and proven completely wrong. Now, go put on your human being hat for an hour Tuesday and go vote YES on 19.

You realize, of course, that the black-market prices you enjoy now will plummet. Better to expand your grow to include commercial as well as med pot. You have a head start. That is, unless you live in Rancho... :rastasmoke:

Get friendly with the city council, and talk to them. I think that breaking it down to municipalities is a genius move, and hampers the "corporate big growers" you seem to see waiting in the wings.

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

Plenty of people will buy it. Not everyone has a place for, or wants a garden. Lots of people will be happy just to go to a store and buy just enough for a night on the town. They don't need a pound of it.

As for taxing personal gardens, why would they? Who's going to go door to door checking to see who's growing? Do people pay taxes for growing their own tomatoes?

ssshhhhh! dont give them any ideas. your tomato tax sir is past due, hang him to show the others that this behavior will not be tolerated.

[MEDEDCANNABIS]

You keep showing this willful ignorance. There is no provision in Prop 19 for the State or local governments to tax non-commercial mj. Period.

It's just like the property taxes set in Prop 13 years ago. The State and local government would LOVE to raise them higher, but they cannot by law. Same thing with Prop 19, so quit spreading this lie.

they will try anyway. in colorado it has been non stop attempts legislation, closures, bans, moratoriams, and outright bs on trying to control this evil drug and protect its citizens (as if they own us). full legalization will not come without its dowfalls.

[StoneMeadow]

California isn't Colorado. Our legal system is different to Colorado's, and our constitutional protections for citizens' initiatives are apparently far stronger. Every conservative part of California has at one time or another tried to modify, limit or otherwise fuck with mmj here, and our Supreme Court has bitch-slapped every one of them. They will do the same with attempts to derail personal mj cultivation, possession and use by adults if Prop 19 passes.

That said, Prop 19 does permit local gov'ts to INCREASE the minimums allowed, just not to curtail them.

[boaz]

California isn't Colorado. Our legal system is different to Colorado's, and our constitutional protections for citizens' initiatives are apparently far stronger. Every conservative part of California has at one time or another tried to modify, limit or otherwise fuck with mmj here, and our Supreme Court has bitch-slapped every one of them. They will do the same with attempts to derail personal mj cultivation, possession and use by adults if Prop 19 passes.

That said, Prop 19 does permit local gov'ts to INCREASE the minimums allowed, just not to curtail them.

:greenthumb: I bet you didn't even know you had that much power. May it serve you well. :jointsmile:

I moved out of Cali before I had a chance to vote for 215 and will miss this vote, too, but good luck, Cali!

[WillyNilly]

I'm talking to you, medical growers, dispensaries, illegal growers and the rest who bought the bullshit and voted against your best interests!

You just f*cked yourselves. The failure of 19 just put a target on your backs. All of you.

Liberties, once taken, rarely return. The feds just got themselves a public mandate and complete legal license to go all "Untouchables" on your asses, and they are absolutely going to.

California just told them to. The media will cheer as all those "corrupt" dispensaries that sold weed to people who were willing to pay street prices, though we all know only 5% of them REALLY need it.

I feel sorry for the 5%, who will soon have to use pharmaceuticals, rather than the safer and more effective marijuana products.

I don't feel sorry for you. You're going to go to jail, and I just won't care. You had your chance. You blew it. You f*cked me, you f*cked your fellow citizens, and, not so ironically, you F*CKED YOURSELVES!

You also set the legalization movement back at least a decade, because all you cared about was your little money-making monopoly. Well, kiss it goodbye. The DEA just got a clear signal to f*ck you hard. They've been planning to for a long time.

You just gave them the green light. Mark my words.

Adios, you self-centered losers. Tell Bubba all about how unfair it all is while he anally rapes you.

FU!