how to stronger plants

[sammer]

Hold on just a second. If you are growing from clones the plants are not adapting at all! YOU are adapting to THEIR needs! yes i agree you should focus on one strain at first so that you learn all of its nuances and characteristics. But for a plant to adapt to its environment it takes generations of breeding and A LOT of plants. And it is good to repot plants because it is not a smart idea to start a tiny seedling in an enormous pot: you have a ton of empty, soggy soil which provides a perfect environment for mould fungus insects and other invaders. Yes you are correct that we should give flowering plants some nitrogen during the START of the flowering phase. however it is a fine line, because the best, most crystally weed comes from plants that are completely starved at harvest time. The leaves should be yellow and falling off by that point if you want the cleanest taste.

[darealbrain]

Hold on just a second. If you are growing from clones the plants are not adapting at all! YOU are adapting to THEIR needs! yes i agree you should focus on one strain at first so that you learn all of its nuances and characteristics. But for a plant to adapt to its environment it takes generations of breeding and A LOT of plants. And it is good to repot plants because it is not a smart idea to start a tiny seedling in an enormous pot: you have a ton of empty, soggy soil which provides a perfect environment for mould fungus insects and other invaders. Yes you are correct that we should give flowering plants some nitrogen during the START of the flowering phase. however it is a fine line, because the best, most crystally weed comes from plants that are completely starved at harvest time. The leaves should be yellow and falling off by that point if you want the cleanest taste.

so your saying that by me taking clones the plants arent adapting.the clones are actually getting older and older or simulating generations of growing with out breeding.if the plants are not adapting then i wonder whats the cause of the great growth and bigger stronger stems?

all the clones goes back to my original ww.same everything i just get the strongest biggest clones each cycle and clone over and over

[darealbrain]

for anyone interested heres a very good article:Maximum Yield - Indoor Gardening
the things we knew yesterday dont always hold true today
but like i say im new to all this thats why i wanted some input from you guys.
this is just a study that im doing with my plants and if im just spinning in a circle let me know.

i do know one thing though the clones that i have now is outstanding.
im just wondering why when i havent changed nothing.

[sammer]

so your saying that by me taking clones the plants arent adapting.the clones are actually getting older and older or simulating generations of growing with out breeding.if the plants are not adapting then i wonder whats the cause of the great growth and bigger stronger stems?

all the clones goes back to my original ww.same everything i just get the strongest biggest clones each cycle and clone over and over

Yes. By taking clones the plants are not adapting. Every clone you have is an exact genetic copy of the plant it was cloned from. So all your clones have identical genetics. To adapt to its environment you would require a large number of plants with a variety of different genetics. After one growing season the plants with the genetics which allowed them to grow the strongest would pass on their genes to the next generation. In the next growing season the plants which sprout would resemble the strongest plants who successfully passed on the most genetics. That is adaptation to the environment. The reason your clones are doing better is because you have learned to take care of them better. The clones are exactly the same genteically you have just become a better grower. They have not adapted to the environment you have improved your growing methods. If you took 1000 ww seeds and planted them outdoors they would eventually adapt over several growing seasons.

[Slevinkal]

Yes. By taking clones the plants are not adapting. Every clone you have is an exact genetic copy of the plant it was cloned from. So all your clones have identical genetics. To adapt to its environment you would require a large number of plants with a variety of different genetics. After one growing season the plants with the genetics which allowed them to grow the strongest would pass on their genes to the next generation. In the next growing season the plants which sprout would resemble the strongest plants who successfully passed on the most genetics. That is adaptation to the environment. The reason your clones are doing better is because you have learned to take care of them better. The clones are exactly the same genteically you have just become a better grower. They have not adapted to the environment you have improved your growing methods. If you took 1000 ww seeds and planted them outdoors they would eventually adapt over several growing seasons.

THANK YOU!!!

This LRT guy is a joke...

They dont get it, a clone is a clone is a clone is a clone, always the same...

[darealbrain]

i see.i have been thinking that by me getting the strongest clone each time not by the same mother they were adapting.the strongest clone gets turn to a mother,a group of clones from the mother over and over.

your saiing by breeding, the plants will adapt after years.but arent i doing the same thing just quicker by using the strongest clones?

i could have just became a better grower.its just that i dont know what im doing different im doing everthing the same since i started with the seeds

[Slevinkal]

Like Sammer said:

The clones are an exact copy, they dont change.

Since you're constantly taking carbon copies and not offspring you have kept evolution out of the loop.

[darealbrain]

true they are carbon copies.but are they carbon copies thats use to my growroom?

[darealbrain]

THANK YOU!!!

This LRT guy is a joke...

They dont get it, a clone is a clone is a clone is a clone, always the same...

if a plant or clone will only grow according to its dna what makes them adapt?
i that that it was stress.
isnt it possible to grow in many many styles all the result of stress?
topping,lst,supercropping,sea of green,hdro,etc

[Slevinkal]

if a plant or clone will only grow according to its dna what makes them adapt?
i that that it was stress.
isnt it possible to grow in many many styles all the result of stress?
topping,lst,supercropping,sea of green,hdro,etc

Now thats getting a little too deep for me.

I would think that a plant or a clone would be able to adapt to several different forms of stress wether it from one end of the strain spectrum to the other. All plants have an ability to cope with or even rise above the obstacles that nature throws at them, some plant strains are just more capable of surviving individual stresses than other strains would be and vice versa. Not all strains/plants can survive the exact same stress as another plants from a different strain.

And, yes. Many forms of pruning or training can stress plants and yes, the plants can still thrive through it. I wouldnt know which is which, Im not that knowledgable on this, but Im sure that some strains of cannabis grow better than others under one form or another of stress training or pruning.